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Titleist NXT Tour and NXT Tour S Golf Ball Review

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The Titleist NXT Tour and Tour S are two mainstay golf balls at an affordable price with premium performance.

Introduction

I LOVE playing golf with Titleist Pro V1x golf balls. I absolutely love it. Unfortunately, I am not an elite level player with an unlimited free supply of them. When I have to buy golf balls on a budget, it’s always been a no-brainer for me to pick up a box of NXT Tour balls, and there’s now a new option in the NXT Tour S. This review will tell you why you should strongly consider a dozen NXT Tour golf balls next time you head to the store to pick up a box.

The two biggest contributors to the feel of the golf ball are the core and the cover. The hardest part to get right seems to be the cover. If companies make it too soft, the ball feels mushy and it gets torn up too fast from the grooves of the clubs. If the cover gets too hard, the ball starts to feel like a rock and you lose a lot of the sweet feel you’re looking for. Yes, the core of the ball is very important, but the big difference maker in feel seems to be the quality of the cover. Titleist used their Fusablend cover on the NXT Tour and NXT Tour S golf balls which I feel will hold up against the feel of many other brand’s premium golf ball ranges . Frankly, I don’t think the difference between the Pro V line and the NXT Tour line is as great as others may think, and that’s truly a testament to the NXT Tour balls. It felt to me that I was lacking some of the response in the NXT balls, but I firmly believe that to be related to the “Titleist placebo effect.” Because I knew the ball wasn’t my Pro V1x, I “felt” a difference off the driver and longer clubs. If these balls were marked Pro V1x and Pro V1, I most likely would not have noticed a major difference in feel.

The difference in the NXT Tour and NXT Tour S balls is at the core itself. The NXT Tour is a dual-core ball with the softer core at the middle of the ball whereas the NXT Tour S is a single-core ball that has a softer compression to give you an even softer feel and response than the NXT Tour. I firmly believe that, again, if these were two unmarked balls put into play, people would be surprised to learn that they aren’t the flagship premium golf ball of one of the major brands based on feel alone.

Hitting the NXT Tour and Tour S on long shots is fairly boring…in a good way. I got almost identical ball flights to the Pro V1 and Pro V1x, about the same speeds, and a little less spin with the NXT Tour. The predictability and quality of this ball made it easy to control and create the shots I was looking for. All in all, the NXT Tour and NXT Tour S golf balls both held their own in the long game . My preference leans a little toward the NXT Tour because it felt a little firmer and I seemed to get a little more length with it.

When it comes to defining a golf ball, the short game is always the make or break portion of the experience and will be a major influence on how someone feels about moving forward with a golf ball. As with any golf ball test, the first thing I did with the NXT Tour and Tour S was take them out on the practice green to see how they felt with the putter. I preferred the feel of the NXT Tour, but the NXT Tour S also had a nice feel to it. For me, it purely came down to preference. From there, I hit wedge shots with both balls and found the NXT Tour S to perform a little better, but I liked how the NXT Tour responded. Both balls were easy to control and play different short shots with. From there, I tested them both out in the 100 to 125 yard range. Again, I seemed to play softer shots with the NXT Tour S, but I liked the way the NXT Tour felt off of my clubs.

Both the NXT Tour and Tour S will more than hold their own as a good short game golf ball, especially at a price of $33 for a dozen. If you are Pro V1 loyalist looking to save a few dollars, I would strongly encourage you try both of these balls out and see how they perform for you.

Who This Ball is For

Titleist made a pair of arguably some of the most wide-reaching golf balls on the market in the NXT Tour and Tour S . The price is affordable which makes it an option for more people but the high performance of the ball makes it more appealing to someone that maybe be currently paying more for a high end golf ball. You don’t have to be an elite golf player to realize the benefits of the NXT Tour and Tour S, but an elite golfer could potentially find these balls to be good enough for their game.

It should come as a shock to no one that Titleist makes a good golf ball. This is a process they have mastered over the years and they are able to implement high standards and processes to develop their entire range of golf balls. The NXT Tour and NXT Tour S are far and away my preferred mid-level golf ball, and the lower price tag makes them more appealing to me when it’s time to restock. Price aside, the NXT Tour and Tour S had the on-course performance which is what counts the most and I would feel totally confident playing an important match with a box of these balls in bag.

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Titleist NXT Tour, NXT Tour S and Velocity: What you need to know

Golf ball performance means different things to different golfers, which is why Titleist currently offers six different kinds of golf balls at four different price points.

Last January, the company released its new Pro V1 and Pro V1x golf balls ($47.99), designed to create the best-possible performance for golfers from tee to green. They use Titleist’s most expensive constructions, namely the company’s thermoset urethane covers.

In October, the Titleist released its DT TruSoft ($21.99), a two-piece golf ball low on compression and high on affordability. It’s positioned as the company’s softest-feeling golf ball to date.

Occupying the space between is Titleist’s new NXT Tour and NXT Tour S ($34.99) golf balls, as well as its new Velocity ($26.99). Each ball uses a different construction specific for its intended audience.

The NXT Tour, NXT Tour S and Velocity golf balls will be in stores January 28.

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NXT Tour golf balls target golfers who want performance similar to Titleist’s Pro V1 and Pro V1X, but are more price sensitive.
The balls have a three-piece design, which includes a dual-core construction.
The inner core of the new balls is softer and 66 percent larger, which will lower spin with a golfer’s woods and irons to help them create more distance. A firmer outer core, along with Titleist’s thin, Fusablend cover, helps golfers retain spin on wedge shots.
In Titleist’s 2016 golf ball line, only the Pro V1 and Pro V1X create more greenside spin than the NXT Tour.
The NXT Tour golf balls have a spherically-tiled, 302 octahedral dimple design. Compared to the NXT Tour S golf balls, the NXT Tour golf balls will create a higher trajectory that’s similar to the company’s Pro V1X.

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The NXT Tour S golf balls ($34.99) have a two-piece design, as well as a compression that’s lower than the NXT Tour to give them a softer feel on all shots.
They use a softer-compression core, which will reduce spin on long shots for increased distance, as well as a softer Fusablend cover that maintains the short-game spin of the previous model.
Like the NXT Tour, the NXT Tour S golf balls have a spherically-tiled, 302 octahedral dimple design. The balls will create a lower trajectory than the NXT Tour S.
The NXT Tour S golf balls are available in both White and High-Optic Yellow.

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The new Velocity golf balls ($26.99) are longer than past models thanks to a design that uses a larger core and a thinner cover.
According to Matt Hogge, director of product implementation for Titleist golf balls, the company added more “fast rubber” to the Velocity’s LSX core, as well as a thinner, NaZ2 cover that together increase ball speed over previous models regardless of what club a golfer is hitting.
The increased ball speed not only contributes to more distance, but a higher trajectory that will help golfers stop their shots on the green through a steeper angle of descent.
Compared to the NXT Tour and NXT Tour S golf balls, the Velocity golf balls will launch higher and spin less around the greens.
The Velocity golf balls use a spherical-tiled, 328 tetrahedral dimple design. They’re available in single-digit numbers (1-4), as well as double-digit numbers (00, 22, 77 and 99) that were chosen by Team Titleist members in a company-run contest.

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This sentence is not clear:

Like the NXT Tour, the NXT Tour S golf balls have a spherically-tiled, 302 octahedral dimple design. The balls will create a lower trajectory than the NXT Tour S.

I think the ‘S’ at the end shouldn’t be there…

Jan 27, 2016 at 3:53 pm

I started playing the NXT Tour S ball last year. Love it! Gonna try the High-Optic Yellow color this year. You definitely get what you pay for when it comes to golf balls.

Jan 27, 2016 at 3:51 pm

Pro V1’s were just on holiday sale for $39.99 and the annual buy 3 get 1 free deal is about a month or 2 away….so $35 for a dozen NXT’s is hardly price sensitive. That’s probably the worst price point to get after. Crazy to think we’re probably 2-3 years away from NXT reaching the Pro V1 price of a couple years ago.

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GolfWRX Deep Dive: Bridgestone’s MindSet golf balls

Visual technology in golf balls isn’t new. Heck, golfers have been drawing lines, dots, and other designs on their golf balls for years.

As of last year, most ball manufacturers had taken the plunge of offering some sort of ornamentation or alignment aid on their golf balls. However, Bridgestone had not. Why? Well, the company wasn’t interested in decorations for the sake of aesthetic appeal and felt if it was going to add any designs to its golf balls, there had to be a proven benefit to doing so. “We have always believed that the only reason to sell printed golf balls was if it provided added value to consumers,” Dan Murphy, President of Bridgestone Golf said at the time of the release.

Enter MindSet.

The MindSet process was created by Bridgestone Golf staffer Jason Day and his long-time mental coach, Jason Goldsmith.

“Jason Goldsmith and I worked together to develop a pre-shot system that went beyond the simple visualization I did when I was a kid. He understood how critical pre-shot visualization was to my game, but also knew I needed a more structured, complete routine,” said Day. “Now Bridgestone has made The MindSet process available to all golfers, which is going to be a game changer for a lot of people.”

To learn more about MindSet, GolfWRX caught up with David Vogrin, Director of Marketing at Bridgestone Golf.

GolfWRX: Before digging into the application of MindSet to Bridgestone golf balls, talk me through the history of MindSet.

DV: We’ve been exploring the concept of visual innovation on golf balls that enable players to improve their focus for several years. During that time, we studied the process of how our tour team used visual cues on their golf balls to get into the zone and perform consistently under pressure. The work on the project was stalled during COVID as we scrambled to meet the increase in demand that we saw during that time. In 2022, we signed Jason Day and he re-energized the project. Soon after researching Jason Day’s history with mindfulness techniques, we quickly realized that he would be the ideal candidate to work with to finish our work on the concept.

GolfWRX: For the layperson, can you drill down on the steps of the MindSet process?

DV: It is simple when you break it down. First, you “Identify Your Target.” In this step you gather information and take care of the pre-shot work that every golfer does before hitting a shot: determine the shot distance, figure out what is happening with weather elements such as wind, rain, etc., and ultimately decide on the shot and club you are going to hit. The second step is “Visualize the Shot Path,” which is a step a lot of everyday golfers skip over we’ve discovered. Here you connect to the target and visualize the shot you want to hit. People have different ways of executing this step, and one way is not necessarily any better than another. Some golfers will visualize the shot like watching a movie or golf on TV. Others will imagine a shot tracer line from where they hit their ball to the target. Some golfers are more kinesthetic and will choose to connect with the target/shot they want to hit by rehearsing the swing. Regardless of your preferred method, the idea is the same, connect your mind to the target. The final step is “Focus on the Dot.” This is where the magic happens. In this step, golfers focus on the green dot, while keeping their minds focused only on the target, then they pull the trigger to execute the swing.

GolfWRX: How does Jason Day fit into this picture?

DV: When we signed Jason and started this project up again, we knew his long history of using mindfulness techniques. We reached out to his team and were introduced to his performance coach, Jason Goldsmith. Goldsmith walked us step by step through the process he and Day have installed that keeps Jason focused. We broke the process down into key elements to make it digestible for the consumer. All successful professional golfers use a process to focus and perform under pressure, yet no golf ball manufacturer has ever endeavored to distill this process down to make it accessible to consumers or to apply it to a golf ball. Now we have. The cool thing about MindSet is that it works for top professional golfers like Jason Day as well as the recreational player.

GolfWRX: Finally, to the ball. How did this partnership come about?

DV: Once we started working through our concept and the process that Day was using, we quickly agreed that we could create a visual cue on the golf ball that would represent the process for Jason Day and consumers as well. From there, we created multiple iterations of prototypes on the golf ball to represent the process. Choosing the colors and the design became intuitive: the outer red ring represents the first step, the inner gold ring represents visualization, and the green dot represents the focal point for Jason (and now all golfers) who will use the MindSet process. Jason provided incredible feedback while working through the prototyping process until we landed on a design that would work for him and all golfers. It was a great experience and process for our team and his.

GolfWRX: Looking at the particulars, how does a golfer “use” a Bridgestone ball with the MindSet graphic?

DV: Aside from the green dot, which is where you focus before executing the shot, the rest of the design on the ball is a visual cue to remind players of the process steps that will enable them to be prepared to hit a shot. In practical terms, golfers only have the ball in hand off the tee and on the putting green. As they become assimilated in the process, they will be able to use the process even when the MindSet mark is not visible by focusing on a different focal point of the ball when they are ready to execute the shot. An example of this is focusing on the B mark, the side stamp, or even a dimple.

GolfWRX: What results are you seeing/what feedback are you getting from golfers who have put a MindSet ball in play?

DV: The feedback has been overwhelmingly positive. We have conducted tests with consumers of all skill levels and have seen over 80% of golfers who used the MindSet golf ball and process improve their score by an average of nearly three shots per round. With some players improving by 5 shots, 7 shots, and even 9 shots per round. Also, we believe this is a discipline and the longer you use it the more benefit you are going to see. This is an innovation that every golfer can use to help them play better.

Learn more about Bridgestone’s MindSet Tour B golf balls here .

Scottie Scheffler’s TaylorMade Spider Tour X L-Neck putter now available at retail

Scottie Scheffler’s Spider Tour X L-neck is now available at retail beginning today.

In 2024, Scheffler has 6 wins in 10 starts with the Spider Tour X flatstick, and recently stepped into the winner’s circle for the third time in four starts with a Spider Tour X L-Neck in the bag at the Travelers Championship.

Putter Specs:

Hosel: L Neck
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Length: 34/35″
Loft: 3 degrees
Lie: 70 degrees

The putter is available now at www.taylormadegolf.com and is priced at $349.99.

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Titleist NXT Tour - Is it dead?

Last updated Feb 8, 2020

Over the last year or so there have been rumors about Titleist discontinuing production of their NXT Tour balls . In the blog below, we will address this as well as the differences in both NXT versions.

As we are doing these reviews of golf balls we will always remind our wonderful readers the make-up of a golf ball as mentioned below.

Every golf ball differs but normally there are 1-5 pieces of a golf ball

Generally made of synthetic rubber which range from 1 layer – 4 layers. A standard driving range ball has only 1 solid layer whereas Titleist uses an anomeric casing layer to cover their inner core.

Cover Design

The outer cover of the golf ball (what you can visually see) usually made from Surlyn or Urethane materials.

Surlyn is hard and extremely durable which produces less spin and feel but does not scuff very easily (unless of course you hit a tree, cart path, your fellow golfer, etc.)

Urethane is much softer and less durable which will produce more spin and is less durable – after a round of 18 holes you will see minor blemishes or scuffs. (That is if you use the same ball the entire round)

Dimple Design

Dimples are actually a very sophisticated part of the ball. They are critical in reducing wind resistance or aerodynamic drag. Less drag means more distance and more birdies. Dimples almost double the distance compared to a smooth golf ball

Now let's compare NXT Tour vs NXT Tour S

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The NXT Tour golf balls have three pieces and NXT Tour S golf balls have two pieces. The NXT Tour ball deliver longer drives, longer distance, and great stopping short game control. The soft core and cover ensure optimal feel and unmatched performance on the tee and the green. The NXT Tour ball has a lower compression which is great for lower swing speeds because the ball compresses quicker than a high compression ball.

Core : The center of the new dual core is 66% larger, decreasing spin on long game shots and providing longer distance on tee shots and with irons.

Cover System : The Fusablend cover used on NXT Tour provides soft feel and excellent shot stopping control.

Dimple Design: The dimple placement and design depth maximize distance for golfers on every shot. The dimple pattern provides consistent ball flight for golfers in all conditions.

The NXT Tour golf balls have three pieces and NXT Tour S golf balls have two pieces. The NXT Tour S is a high-performance ball which delivers low driver and iron spin which creates outstanding distance but gives excellent shot stopping ability. The NXT Tour S ball has a lower compression which is great for lower swing speeds because the ball compresses quicker than a high compression ball.

Core : The new core is the softest ever created for NXT Tour S, providing noticeably softer feel and very low spin on your long game shots for great distance.

Cover System : The new Fusablend cover is softer to enhance feel around the green and provide excellent shot stopping control.

Dimple Design: The aerodynamics package on NXT Tour S now has deeper dimple depths to slightly lower the trajectory for maximized distance.

The chart below is a side-by-side summary of the above, for those who like seeing pictures to help make those decisions.

So there you have it. NXT Tour/Tour S are great golf balls and will perform perfectly under pressure (as long as you do) no matter which ball you pick.

Good or bad - Titleist did indeed DISCONTINUE their production of the NXT brand (don't worry we have plenty of inventory for you).

So why would they discontinue these balls and what did they replace them with? We would never leave you hanging, see below for a review of the new ball.

Titleist's NEW Tour Soft Golf Ball

Let's dig in to the details about this new ball. Titleist has always tried to create golf balls that cater to all different types of golfers, handicaps, swing speed, etc. This new ball is no different. They have replaced two top performing balls (NXT/NXT Tour S) with this one ball. Titleist Tour Soft balls are looking to satisfy the golfers' need through just two layers. With the newly designed ionomer soft cover, which more golfers are asking for, the Titleist Tour Soft ball aims at producing more distance off the tee while still giving soft feel around the green. The previous urethane-cover limits distance off the tee for golfers with lower swing speeds.

Core : Titleist has produced their largest core ever in this ball which gives a responsive feel and high ball speed. Because the ball compresses at lower swing speeds this ball will produce maximum distance for the majority of golfers.

Cover System : The new cover formulation is made of ultra-thin 4CE grafted cover made with propriety Titleist technology. The cover creates advanced short game control and leading soft feel.

Dimple Design : The spherically-tiled 342 cuboctahedron dimple design delivers penetrating trajectory and consistent ball flight.

Well, there you have it, a full review of Titleist NXT Tour golf balls and the NEW Titleist Tour Soft golf ball. Remember the golf ball is the only piece of equipment that you use on EVERY hole and it is critical that you play with a golf ball that suits your game. But do me a favor, don't pay FULL price for new golf balls – give our amazing recovered golf balls a chance and we GUARANTEE you will love them or your money back!

If you have any questions or have tried out the new Titleist Tour Soft, sound off in the comments below. We'd love to hear from you!

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4 comments on “titleist nxt tour - is it dead”.

How are these balls compared to TP5x? My local range uses NXT Tour balls on their launch monitors but trying to figure out how that differs from what i'm using on the course which is the 5x. Mostly distance is the comparison i'm looking for.

The NXT Tour ball has a harder cover which will give you longer distance off the tee and with your irons but a bit less control around the green (less spin) than the TP5x.

If you like the TP5x but want more distance you can also try the TP5 balls which will give you more distance compared to the TP5x.

Hope this Helps,

How does the Velocity compare to these golf balls? Some say that the Velocity is closer to the NXT Tour than the Tour Soft.

Hey Todd, good question! Both are 2 piece balls, with the velocity you'll get better distance but less control around greens. As far as whether the Velocity is closer to the NXT than Tour Soft, I disagree, but this can be somewhat subjective. If you have a high handicap, Velocity (just like most balls Titleist makes) is an excellent ball. If you want to place an order we'd be happy to send you a sample to try them out.

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Titleist Tour Soft ball replaces NXT lineup with a single ball and its largest core, adds heat to popular Velocity line

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The Titleist lineup of mid-priced golf balls for 2018, including a refortified Velocity and the Tour Soft, a ball that replaces both the NXT Tour and NXT Tour S all by itself, reflect the company’s established method of developing products based on what various categories of players are seeking.

For its new mid-priced balls, that research says players are interested in distance and feel. What they’re not focused on are the particulars of construction types.

For many golfers, Titleist’s research suggests, it seems the multilayer constructions and urethane vs. ionomer cover materials, amount to not much more than confusion. Give me long distance and soft feel is the consumer’s mantra in the mid-priced ball category, said Michael Fish, Titleist’s golf ball product manager.

“These players want the best performing ball for their budget,” he said, noting that in its research of more than 19,000 golfers who tend to purchase balls in the $30-$40 category Titleist found “a lot of golfers really struggled to know what urethane is.”

Instead, feel without any compromise on distance is what they’re after. “These players equate feel with control,” Fish said.

But while golfers may be straightforward in knowing what they want, getting it to them is anything but. It’s that search for the next combination of feel and distance that led Titleist’s team to develop the new Tour Soft, while trying to add new speed to the distance-oriented Velocity.

With a new cover material, a larger-than-ever core and a fundamental change in the manufacturing process, Tour Soft represents Titleist’s answer to a price category that increasingly includes softer-feeling multilayer urethane covered balls aimed at the average golfer.

But Tour Soft takes a different approach. It looks to go after that golfer with a large-core, two-piece design and new kind of ionomer cover. The aim is to produce more distance off the driver than comparable urethane-cover models, while still producing comparable spin on full wedge shots.

The distance on the Tour Soft is fueled by the largest core on a Titleist ball ever. At 1.60 inches, it surpasses the core on the 2016 NXT Tour S (1.585). Of course, a core that size also results in a very thin cover design, and Titleist says Tour Soft features a cover as thin as many typical urethane-covered balls. The Tour Soft uses a unique combination of four polymers and ionomers to produce the thin cover uniformly over the large core.

“We’d been able to make it in R&D for a few years,” Fish said, noting that making it in mass quantities as a full-fledged product . “Molding any kind of material around a larger core only adds complexity. There’s just less margin for error.”

The new construction also necessitates a new dimple pattern. The 342-dimple cuboctahedron pattern is designed to yield a penetrating trajectory.

The Titleist Tour Soft (available in white and optic yellow) will retail for $35 a dozen, arriving in stores Jan. 24.

2018 VELOCITY

Like Tour Soft, the 2018 version of the Titleist Velocity grew from player research. Fish said typical Velocity players were looking for more distance and softer feel so the new model features a lower compression core and “a fast, firm cover.” The combination helps to produce lower spin off the driver for better launch conditions.

The 328 tetrahedral dimple design aims to continue Velocity’s proven higher flight and, according to Fish, remains “the highest flying ball in our line.”

The other changes to the 2018 Velocity line also grew from Titleist’s golfer research and they’re likely more visible than any other aspect of the line. They include four color options: white, orange, pink and a new high-visibility white version.

“We’ve seen an increasing preference among golfers in general to play products that they truly identify with and color is a big part of that,” Fish said.

The 2018 Velocity will be in stores Jan. 24 ($27 a dozen).

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Titleist NXT Tour S: Softer of Two Siblings Golf Balls

NXT Tour S 2016

Ball tested: Titleist NXT Tour S

Category: Premium

Specs: Construction – Two-piece; Cover – "Fusablend"; Core – Low compression; Dimples / Pattern – 302 in "spherically tiled octahedral" design

Price as tested (new): MSRP—$42 per dozen; widely available for $32 per dozen

Ball notes: If you guessed that the "S" stands for "soft," give yourself a little golf clap. Titleist's NXT Tour S is the lower compression, single core version touted for its cushiony feel. It's also aimed at players with slightly slower swing speeds who can't quite squeeze maximum distance from the firmer original model, the NXT Tour . As a bonus, the Tour S is available in high-optic yellow.

Compression: Mid

The NXT Tour S, like its sibling, blurs the line between the "premium" and "tour" categories. In the not-so-distant past, premium balls were considerably harder and produced a lot less spin. Now, many premium models are as soft as, if not softer than, some tour balls, with only a tad less spin and greenside bite.

Let's take the NXT Tour S for a test drive. And approach shot, and chip, and putt…

Sound and feel: It's soft, all right. Softer than the NXT Tour and comparable to Titleist's tour-level flagship, the ProV1 . This ball sticks to the clubface on full shots and provides delicate feel on shorter shots. Anyone who craves a sense of control will appreciate the NXT Tour S.

Off the tee: It's a toss-up as to which is the longer NXT Tour model. We found the S to be in the same ballpark as the original, with similar in-flight qualities – low spin, excellent down-range carry and good accuracy. Your mileage may vary.

From the fairway / rough: Shotmakers will definitely enjoy playing the NXT Tour S. You can work this ball with ease (at least by today's standards) and change trajectories, too. It displayed ample stopping power off the middle and short irons as well.

Around the green: It feels like a ProV1, but doesn't quite match the greenside performance. Of course, that's to be expected – there's a reason the NXT Tour S costs $12 – $15 less at retail. Besides, this ball offers more than enough spin and short game control for good and average amateurs. Its reactions on the green are highly predictable, which is the most important thing.

Bottom line: Just a few years ago, balls like the NXT Tour S simply didn't exist. The difference between tour and premium balls was much wider, forcing golfers to sacrifice distance if they favored feel, and vice versa. Now, it's possible to enjoy (near) tour-level controllability in a ball that travels as far as those in the "distance" category. Long story short: The NXT Tour S is a great option for amateurs who want that high-end softness without throwing away valuable driving yardage – or hard-earned cash.

- Compression Video - Spin Video - Dimples Video - Golf Ball Brands Video - Titleist Video - Understanding Spin Video

Categories Explained:

Value/Recreational/Distance – Designed for mid- to high-handicap golfers with swing speeds below 90 mph; typically feature two-piece construction and firm covers; promote greater distance over high spin rates. Examples: Pinnacle Gold, Slazenger RAW Distance

Premium – Designed for low- to mid-handicap golfers with swing speeds of 90-99 mph; typically feature multi-layer construction and medium-soft covers; happy medium between Value/Recreational and Tour categories for distance and spin qualities. Examples: Titleist NXT Tour, Callaway HEX Diablo

Tour/Advanced/Performance – Designed for low-handicap and professional golfers with swing speeds in excess of 100 mph; typically feature multi-layer construction and soft covers; promote greater spin rates and enhanced feel over distance. Examples: Titleist ProV1, Bridgestone Tour B330

Titleist NXT Tour S 2016 Golf Ball Review

The Titleist NXT Tour S is a mainstay golf ball retailing for $45 a dozen(MSRP) and it delivers Tour proven-premium performance at a very affordable price. Just like its little sister (the NXT Tour), the S is an absolutely lovely golf ball to play with, which is very close in terms of performance to the Titleist Pro V1. But, unlike the Pro V1/V1x, the Titleist NXT Tour S doesn't penalize you with premium prices for premium performance, and that's great in my book. The most important two factors to consider in a golf ball in regard to feel are the cover and the core, and the most difficult one to get right is usually the cover. If the golf ball is designed with a “mushy” (as in too soft) cover, the ball feels weird and it will wear off prematurely from the grooves of the drivers. If the company makes the cover too hard, you'll feel like throwing rocks and that sweet feel you're looking for will be definitely compromised, along with your game. The core is important too, but the quality of the cover makes all the difference in the world.

In our case, the NXT Tour S uses the Fuseblend cover and the feel of the ball is comparable with almost any other premium golf balls from other brands, making the difference between the NXT Tour line and the Pro very thin. Maybe it's the placebo effect, but if these golf balls were marked with a Pro V1x instead of NXT Tour S, you'd never noticed the difference during your game! Yes, this ball is outstanding, offering true flagship performance at an affordable price.

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When testing these with a set of Wilson Staff FG Tour 100 irons (featured on p142), the feel off the face was very impressive. There was good control on offer, but not quite as much spin as the Pro V1. The NXT Tour felt easy to launch high on lob shots, which really boosts your confidence around the greens. It was also easier than some to follow through the air.

For all-round performance, the NXT Tour sits just behind the Titleist Pro V1, but with the benefit of a cheaper price tag. Spin control on full shots into greens is impressive, offering plenty of stopping power, even on firm greens. Many will enjoy the ‘click’ off the

putter and wedge face that the cover design offers. The durability is also outstanding.

The Pro V1 offers noticeably more spin on chip and pitch shots from close range. Players with the budget to pay premium prices will still find the best performance from the Pro V1 and Pro V1x. Those looking for a soft feel from a ball at this price should try the NXT Tour S.

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Titleist NXT Tour Balls Key Technology:

The NXT Tour is designed to deliver low driver and long-iron spin, impressive short-game spin and a soft feel. The multi-component design incorporates a large dual core with a soft centre, soft Fusablend cover and a spherically tiled 302 octahedral dimple design. It sits alongside the Titleist NXT Tour S, which offers a softer compression feel, and also comes in yellow.

Will suit... Players after control on approach shots, without a premium price tag.

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The 3-P NXT Tour model has been a long standing constant in the Titleist line-up, and it is a fantastic ball. It is arguably the most popular "hybrid" golf ball on the market. It balances performance characteristics similar to Tour golf balls, while having forgiveness and playability for the less skilled golfer.

The 3-P Tour has a soft ionomer ( thermoplastic) cover under the trade name Fusablend® and incorporates a dual core with a low compression inner core component, and firmer outer core for high ball speed.

It is interesting to note that Titleist has been juggling their 2 piece NXT category in recent years. A few years ago they replaced their 2-P NXT with the NXT Extreme, a distance ball with a firmer construction (and hard cover). Last year, they reintroduced a more playable 2-P NXT.

The 2 piece NXT Tour S bridges the gap between their popular low compression DT So/Lo golf balls, and the new Titleist Velocity (a dedicated, firmer distance ball).

The NXT Tour S has a softer compression construction which is a result of its large core. Titleist claims it is a full 10 compression points lower than the 3-P model!

They have also followed the lead of Srixon and Bridgestone and introduced a yellow version of the Tour S . The Srixon Z-Star series has been quite popular in yellow for a few years, and Bridgestone has been heavily promoting their yellow B330-RX series, prompting Titleist to jump on board.

Impressions and Testing...

I want to first comment on this yellow ball trend. Other than hitting the odd orange ball in my shag bag over the past few decades, I hadn't played with a colored golf ball. But let me tell you:

The visibility and color of these yellow balls is stunning!

When I first spread a number of the yellow balls before my test rounds on the practice green next to the white balls, I could not believe the degree of brightness and radiance of the cover. It was as if the yellow balls had batteries or a light stick in side them... they were that bright.

So if you haven't teed up or putted a yellow golf ball, I would encourage you to put one in play (even bum one off a playing partner). Whether it's the Srixon, Bridgestone, or Titleist, it's an interesting trend which can have some positive effects for many golfers beyond being simply a marketing gimmick for the manufacturers.

Performance...

I wasn't really expecting too much with the new 2 piece NXT Tour S other than a standard rebranding of the past 2-P NXT's with a drop in compression. But I was pleasantly surprised.

I feel they have nailed the compression of this golf ball. It falls somewhere between the 3-P Pro V1, which hangs around 95 compression, and a softer low compression product like the Noodle+ or DT So/Lo balls.

Note that compression is a function of the core in a 2-P, and hardness is a function of the cover (i.e. - chipping, putting - where only the cover is engaged).

Note that the highest swing speed players (the Tour average is 112 mph) may experience a slight drop in driver/iron distance with softer compression product. (i.e. long driver champs compete with very high compression golf balls). Note also that Titleist has stated that the 3-P model is slightly longer for most players. This is an indicator that the target audience for the Tour S is the less than Tour swing speed player.

This ball also held the greens fine which is great considering this is typcially the tradeoff with most 2-P product. The test days were not particularly windy so the full effects of the wind properties were not relevant. I have had lots of golfers report that this ball is good in the wind, holding and tracking its line admirably.

The ball is also very durable which is a huge advantage for many golfers, especially given the price (more below). If you keep it in the fairway, expect to get at least a few rounds out of each ball. Note that Tour players change their urethane (very soft rubber) covered golf balls every few holes. Good thing they get them for free.

Off the putter, I was also really surprised, the Tour S is excellent by my standards. Typically with softer compression product you get a hard cover, but not the case here.

I rate putting feel on 3 sound levels, as sound relates directly to feel;

- a "snap" (harder balls, poor feel)

- a "knock" (decent feel and speed control)

- a "soft click" (great feel, ala urethane covers)

This ball rates between the knock/feel. Distance control was excellent, and again, that yellow color was a kick on the greens.

Putting feel is perhaps the most subjective aspect of the ball characteristics. Some golfers like the firm feel, some a more balata-like (soft rubber) quality.

Summing up (plus a negative)...

Whenever a manufacturer finds a balance between softer compression, iron spin, and distance, they have a winner. The new Titleist NXT Tour S fits this bill nicely. Now, a reality check...

These balls aren't cheap . The MSRP is $42/dozen. They typically are around $32/dozen at retail. That's as high as you get for a name brand 2 piece ball (the least expensive construction to manufacture).

Now what is interesting is that the 3 piece NXT Tour and the 2 piece NXT Tour S are priced the same! This is usually unheard of as 3-P balls typcially carry a manufacturing premium. Let's keep in mind too that these balls are currently still made in the USA so that must be factored into their cost.

So we have a new 2 piece NXT that performs similarly to the 3 piece NXT, and costs the same. But neither has a urethane cover, like the Pro V1 Tour balls. Hence, if you want a 3-P with a softer urethane cover, you play the Pro V1 (msrp $62, retail $47.95! ). Makes sense from a marketing point of view.

In fact, when I bought my Tour S test balls at an on course pro shop, I didn't see the 3-P NXT Tour. When I asked the pro where they were, he responded "oh, you want to go old school?..we don't have those." However, sitting next to the Tour S in the Titleist display were the Pro-V1's, the game's best selling Tour ball.

Regardless, the Titliest NXT Tour S is a fine new ball that stands on its own performance merits and is a solid addition to the Titleist line-up. At $8-10 a sleeve, an 18 hole trial would be a nice way to spend part of an upcoming weekend.

Enjoy the 2016 golf season,

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By arturo28mx , April 29, 2014 in Balls, Carts/Bags, Apparel, Gear, Etc.

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Love it, that is the only ball I play. Well unless I find something decent and toss it in the bag as an extra.

believe it or not, i like the TopFlite Gamer V2 better, and at almost half the price, for me its a no brainer.

I played the NXT Tour for several years and did try the NXT Tour S. I have a slow SS (85-90) and lost quite a bit of distance compared to the NXT Tour although the S was a little better around the greens. I also switched to the Gamer V2 from the NXT Tour and found it to be a better ball with excellent check on the green and longer, especially off the tee. I have been playing the Gamer Tour and it is almost as long as the V2 and better around the green. There are a lot of balls that are as good or better than the NXT Tour Series which are good surlyn balls but I believe overpriced. Look at the Callaway Supersoft, Wilson Duo, and the Gamer S as examples, and the lower priced urethene balls like Gamer Tour and Maxfli U3 and 4 series have received some great reviews.

yeah, for the performance, the NXT/Tour is overpriced.

In the bag:

Driver: PING 410 Plus 9 degrees, Alta CB55 S Fairway: Callaway Rogue 3W PX Even Flow Blue 6.0; Hybrid: Titleist 818H1 21* PX Even Flow Blue 6.0; Irons: Titleist 718 AP1 5-W2(53*) Shafts- TT AMT Red S300 ; Wedges Vokey SM8 56-10D Putter: Scotty Cameron 2016 Newport 2.5 Ball: Titleist AVX or 2021 ProV1

Bang for the buck, the NXT Tour S is my favorite ball. I only play those or Bridgestone B330RX balls or B330RXS.

What's in the Bag: Driver: Taylormade SLDR 12* 3-wood: Taylormade Burner 15* Hybrid: Taylormade Burner 19* Irons: Callaway XR

Wedges: Vokey 50*, 54*, 58* Putter: Scotty Newport Studio

My favorite bang for the buck ball for a couple years has been the Lynx Black Cats. Can always get them at $10 per dozen, but I try to stock up when they go for 3 dozen for $25. They're not rock hard and feel pretty decent around the green and putting, and seem to be one of the softer "distance" balls that I've used.

Edit - just checked, they're 4 dozen for $30. Guess I'll be ordering a few tonight.

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I played the last 2 rounds with found noodles. Soft and long. Had some really nice shots. I think I will buy a dozen and see what happens.

5 weeks later...

NXT tour s is a nice ball, I too lost a little distance with the S, I didn't mind though they feel pretty nice offf the club. I only buy higher priced balls when I run out of Gamers, the Topflite Gamer is so close to all of the $30/dozen balls that I am very happy with that. I have also recently played the Qstar,, E6 and both the NXT tour and tour-s. I bought someMax Fli Urethane u3s, (Rocks IMO), and was given a dozen HEX Chromes in a tourney I played in. I would gladly play any of the above mentioned balls they are all that close. The exception are the Max FLIs, Don't like them.

For me the deciding factor here is price, the gamers are $15/Dozen and I think if the graphics were blacked out that most high to mid cappers couldn't tell the difference between all of the above balls until you hit your approach, I think the Chrome and the Tour s might check up a bit better.

I ordered some balls from MG golf.com. They claim that these balls perform very close to the Prov-1 and they have test results to prove it on their web site, so at $20/Dozen I though I would give them a try. I'll post my impressions.

In my bag....

Bombtech Grenade driver. 10.5* Aldila DVS60 stiff, 45"

Ping i20 irons, ProjectX5.5. 5 thru PW.

Tour Edge 3 Hybrid, Adams A7 4Hybrid

Titelist SM4 52-8. 56-12

Cleveland RTX 60-12 wedge.

Tour Edge xcg5 15* 3 Wood

Cheap crappy Wilson putter that works as well as anything for me.

It's a work in progress, I've only been playing for going on two years or so.

3 weeks later...

I have swing speed of around 95. I get the most distance out of NXT Tour & NXT Tour S balls, and I have used many different balls in the past. The ball works great around green, too.

(Play it again, Sam)

I play nxt balls, mostly refurbished ones, tried the tour S version last year. didn't see a difference.

I like the nxt because I can't regularly compress a proviwan. Only play about 175yards with 7iron.

I recently saw a test comparing all the latest Titleist balls. The NXT Tour was the longest off the driver, had the least driver spin, and was second in wedge spin to the ProV1X (it actually spun slightly more than the ProV1 off the wedge). The NXT Tour S was shorter than the NXT Tour, had more driver spin, and less wedge spin. It is softer than the NXT Tour however.

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Can you post a link to this test?

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Top quality ball good feel off the club face and putter
They are excellent balls. Responsive and do what I want them to do.
Again I like the distance and soft feel.
NXT-Tour golf balls have great feel and dependability
I am a 15 Handicap and this ball to me is indistinguishable from the PROV1. It feels the same, rolls the same and flies the same. It is just right for my game without spending the extra money.
The ball that all golfballs are measured up too. Always a good choice
Soft around the greens and on the putter. There is a reason it is the number one ball in golf.
I really like Titleist golf balls soft feel great on the greens
Unmatched feel off the putter and around the greens. Good distance off the driver.
They have a good, medium feel to them off the tee; it doesn't feel like a rock, but it also doesn't feel like a sponge either.

I use to play Pro-V and I switched to these, just as good but better feel around/on the green.
The NXT is a little firmer, spins less and is a lot more durable than the ProV1 series.
What I did notice was the ball's tendency to short stop rather than roll a considerable distance after landing. This makes those shots to the green easier to judge.
They're certainly not going to cure your slice - but they did carry well off of the tee and seem to stick well on the greens
I will say that these are durable balls and fly straight
Perhaps the low handicaps get the most of it in terms of spin and control. But I'm a 18 handicap and when a I play with these golf balls the feeling in the swing is greater, they feel smooth and you can see the way the stop in the greens.
The cover is soft enough to be able to spin the ball, but still stands up to wear and tear.
The Pro V1 and Pro V1x have greatly improved all around preformance including more distance off the tee, bite around the greens and improved cover durability
Often times when I find a Pro V1 they are still in great condition because of the quality and toughness that they have.
Terrific Golf Ball that cuts thru the wind like a Surgical Knife.

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Best of Moscow by high speed train

By shuguley , February 15, 2014 in Regent Seven Seas Cruises

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

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We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day. Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)? My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

4 months later...

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Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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