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Yuta (Star Trek)

Yuta is the main antagonist of the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "The Vengeance Factor".

She was portrayed by Lisa Wilcox .

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Yuta was a member of the Tralesta clan of the Acamarian people, who were beset by clan warfare. She was one of five who survived a massacre by the Lornak clan and was chosen as her clan's instrument of vengeance. She was implanted with a genetically engineered virus which would kill any Lornak she touched, making it look like heart failure. She was also engineered so her ageing process was slowed, allowing her to remain youthful for decades as she slowly hunted down all the Lornaks. One of those she killed was Penthor-Mul, a Gatherer she killed while he was awaiting trial.

In order to be better placed to find the Gatherer renegades where the remaining Lornaks were, Yuta took a job as the chef and food taster to the Acamarian sovereign Marouk. Her opening came when the Enterprise convinced Marouk to meet with the Gatherers, whose raids were threatening the Federation, and negotiate for them to return home. While their leaders conversed, Yuta took an elderly Gatherer from the Lornak clan, Volnoth, to one side and infected him with the virus, killing him.

Yuta prepared a meal for Commander Riker at his request. Riker was attracted to her and Yuta may have reciprocated but the fact she could only view a liaison in terms of being a servant made him uncomfortable. Yuta's final target was the Gatherer leader Chorgan. She attended his talks with Marouk, but before she could kill him, Riker arrived, having worked out who she was with the crew's help. He tried to convince her to stand down but Yuta lunged for Marouk, trying to touch and infect him. Riker shot her repeatedly, vapourising her.

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Revisiting Star Trek TNG: The Vengeance Factor

The crew of the Enterprise encounter an alien race, and Riker encounters a hot blonde. What could go wrong?

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This review contains spoilers.

3.9 The Vengeance Factor

An away team consisting of Riker, Worf, Data and Beverly Crusher arrives at a Federation outpost to discover that it’s been ransacked by hostile aliens. Everyone’s alive, but Crusher discovers some unique bloodstains which identify the perpetrators as members of the Acamarian race. Wow, bringing Crusher along really paid off for a change!

Reasoning that the attack was performed by the Gatherers, an exiled and nomadic offshoot of the Acamarians, the Enterprise crew head to Acamar to meet with their sovereign leader, Marouk. Once she’s aboard, Picard convinces her to come with them to negotiate peace with the Gatherers and re-integrate them into society. She agrees to try, even though this doesn’t really seem like any of his business. All she needs to do is invite a few more servants on board before they leave. Picard dispatches his own manservant, Commander Riker, to deal with it.

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Greeting the servants, Riker instantly notices that one of them is an attractive blonde woman called Yuta, and he immediately takes a shine to her. Before you can say “diplomatic minefield”, Riker’s turning on the famous Riker charm, which largely consists of thinly-veiled chat-up lines. Hey, Riker, remember that time you slept with the head of a matriarchal society and caused all sorts of trouble? No? Evidently. “You’ll have to cook me some Acamarian meals,” he tells Yuta. “Perhaps breakfast?” he thinks, but doesn’t say. “After we’ve had sex overnight,” he unnecessarily continues.

The Enterprise heads to a Gatherer outpost and an away team consisting of the second in command, chief security Klingon, head robot and a blind engineer head to the surface. No, I’m not sure what Geordi’s doing there either. They get into a firefight with the Gatherers but manage to turn the ambush around by pretending to beam out, in what ranks as the most tactical thing Riker has ever or will ever do.

After convincing Brull, the Gatherer’s spokesman, to meet with Marouk, Picard chairs a meeting. While he’s convincing these people that reintegration is a great idea, Yuta sneaks off and kills one of the older Gatherers, Volnoth, simply by touching him, saying “my clan will outlive yours!” which is a dead giveaway that she’s probably evil. Quite what any of this has to do with online gaming, I’m unclear.

Luckily, Brull doesn’t really mind that Volnoth suddenly died for no reason, because that’s what old guys do apparently. Interested in returning to Acamar, he agrees to lead the Enterprise to the Gatherer’s main leader, Chorgon, for further talks. Back on the ship, Marouk tells Picard about the barbaric system of vengeance which used to rule their culture, and how they’re all well past it. Picard uses this as a way to knock humanity of the past. Which is to say, us. He does this a lot.

Elsewhere in ten-forward, Yuta and Riker share a meal and what passes for flirtatious banter, before he’s called to the sickbay. Crusher has figured out what killed Volnoth: a microvirus! You know, a virus only smaller. The strain is designed to attack his specific DNA, leading them to conclude it was a deliberate killing!Later that day, Yuta visits Riker in his quarters. He does his level best to get her to sleep with him, but no amount of begging will work, not least because she’s in quite a lot of personal turmoil. Not that this bothers him. After all, when you’ve slept with every woman on the Enterprise, anyone else will do, no matter how psychologically distressed she appears to be.

Things progress no further, though, because they’ve arrived at Chorgan’s location! After trading shots, the Enterprise’s vast superiority wins out, and Chorgan agrees to talk. Marouk, Brull and Yuta head over there with Picard to talk shop.

Back on the ship, Crusher and Riker investigate previous deaths from Volnoth’s clan. They find one from 53 years ago, and a photo identifies Yuta at the scene. Only she hasn’t aged a day! Worse still, Chorgan is in the clan she’s been killing off. Realising that she’s probably evil, and at the worst chaotic good, Riker races to Chorgan’s ship to stop her. The negotiations aren’t going well, but this would literally kill them.

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Yuta is about to pass the virus to Chorgan when Riker appears in the conference room and orders her to move away. Riker tells everyone the truth, and she fills in the gaps: she’s had procedures to make her not ago (eh?) and demands vengeance for her clan’s war with Chorgan’s. Riker tries to talk her out of it, but she’s determined to try. Everyone else just sits completely still while she lunges at Chorgan and Riker shoots her with a phaser until she is incinerated. Then he looks upset, because now they’ll never have sex.

The negotiations are saved, but for some reason Riker isn’t that happy. Probably because he just killed that person with a total lack of proportional force. Picard tells him that shore leave has been extended and maybe people should take a few days off. Riker says “I’ll tell the crew.” And that’s the end of the episode for some reason.

TNG WTF: In the final scene, Riker is forced (well, maybe not forced. He’s quite keen) to kill Yuta. In the background, Picard sort of sits there looking blankly ahead, barely blinking. The reason is that he had to stay still so that they could add the disintegration effect. But in-story, we’re forced to assume he’s thinking “oh great, now I’m going to have to fill out loads of incident reports to explain this one.”

TNG LOL: There’s something quite refreshing about The Gatherers, who appear to be an entire race descended from 1980s hair metal. If one of those characters had shown up carrying a double-headed flying V, I wouldn’t have blinked. You can’t help but find them amusing.

And, of course, there’s the famous photo-reconstruction scene, in which the computer manages to extrapolate Yuta’s face from a small visible portion. It’s a bit like someone saw Blade Runner but didn’t really notice that there was an attempt to put actual science into that film.

Mistakes and Minutiae: Another new phaser setting: overkill. Riker uses it to incinerate Yuta where she stands, rather than safely restrain her. The complete list is now Stun, Kill, Cut Through Door, Heat Up Rocks, Head Explodey, Aqueduct Demolition, Smelt Ore and Overkill.

Also, Marouk is the first and probably only character to refer to Starfleet as “the Starfleet”. It may be intended as a quirk of her particular race, but all I can think is “We did 20 takes and that was the best one.”

Who’s That Face?: Yuta is Lisa Wilcox, who was also Alice Johnson in a couple of Nightmare on Elm Street films and was also Missy (I mean, mom) in the live action Bill & Ted TV series (but not the movies).

Time Until Meeting: 4:44. Picard sets up a meeting with Marouk. Troi also gets a seat, but Riker has to stand.

Captain’s Log: At its best, Star Trek is a humanist celebration of the best we, as a civilisation, can achieve if we dedicate ourselves to altruism, diplomacy, pacifism and understanding. And at its worst, it’s kind of like this episode. It starts off relatively well, with Picard brokering a deal and saying things like “What do you have to lose by trying?” which is as pure a message of hope as you can get. It posits that even the greatest differences may be overcome if only we listen to one another.

Of course, by the end of the episode the message has turned into “Sometimes, to achieve peace you have to kill those who demand war.” Which isn’t necessarily untrue, but it’s a considerable distance away from the utopian ideals that Star Trek normally strives for.

And it’s not like Riker HAD to kill Yuta. In this situation, where he’s trying to stop her from physically attacking someone, a crowbar to the back of the knees would have achieved a similar effect to his preferred option of “completely incinerate”. I guess when you’re holding a phaser, every problem looks like one of those floaty lights that you shoot for phaser target practise.

Watch or Skip? Skip it. A total mess.

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Star Trek: The Next Generation : "The Vengeance Factor"/"The Defector"

"The Vengeance Factor"

or  The One With the Touching and the Killing and the Lady Riker Shoots

As a kid, Riker and Troi's relationship always puzzled me. To me, relationships were essentially binary; either you were with someone or you weren't. I could understand a situation where two people wanted each other but were kept apart by the vagaries of fate and bad choices, but there's no hoary plot device standing between Number One and the  Enterprise 's counselor. They're both comfortably aware of how the other one feels, and while we don't have a clear sense of their history (and, honestly, I'm not sure we need one; I'm not clamoring for a "When William Met Deanna" flashback episode), we understand them well enough to know that neither is a bad person, or would've hurt the other through cruelty. Younger Me thought that was enough for a relationship to work, and I was baffled whenever the pair would exchange some intimate glance before embarking on an affair with a random stranger. It's not even a "will they/won't they." It's a "they did, and who knows?"

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I'm older now, and while I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm wiser, I do have a slightly better grasp of how complicated a relationship can actually be. I like the Troi/Riker dynamic quite a bit now, because I like how it's underplayed. Whatever angst may have gone down between these two is mostly over at this point, and when Riker says, "I'll be happy if you make her happy" to a potential paramour of Troi's, there's no insincerity in the statement. The selflessness on  TNG  can get tiring, especially in the show's first two seasons when we were repeatedly reminded just how wonderful humanity is, but it works very well in these smaller moments. So often in television, we see characters at their worst because that's where the drama lies. It's nice to have a show that's willing to say, "These are all good, smart people," and then not immediately have Wesley cheating on an exam, or Picard struggling to hide his secret addiction to Substance D.

"The Vengeance Factor" isn't really about Troi and Riker—it's about the  Enterprise  trying to broker a settlement between a race and its outcasts in order to protect Federation property, and about the lengths that people will go to in order to create meaning out of horror. (That's what revenge is, at least partly: the attempt to create structure in a senseless act by giving it a story arc, and by giving yourself agency inside that arc. It's not just "everyone I loved was horribly murdered," it's "When the people I loved were murdered, I became a ruthless killing machine, and devoted myself to finding justice." The difference between News At 11 and a miniseries.) Riker does have a tentative romantic relationship with an alien, though, and it just got me thinking that whatever the differences he and Troi must've had when they parted ways (friendly or not, there had to've been  some  disparity), they've found a way to make an effective peace between them. It's nice to see people acting like adults, even as we watch others follow through on self-destruction.

Yeah, that's pretty tenuous, even for me. I liked "Vengeance" okay, but I had a hard time connecting to its main plot. Yuta, the seemingly young woman with the killer touch, had her share of interesting moments, but this is the sort of familiar story that people have been telling ever since we realized that rocks were harder than skulls. Strip away the science fiction, and it's just a revenge tragedy, and in order for a revenge tragedy to work, it has to grab us in some way. There has to be a new angle, some hook that can distinguish this one from all the ones that came before it. Either Yuta's pain is distinctive, or her chosen method of vengeance is so unusual, or else there's a whole lot of unexpected bloodshed. Or maybe there's a talking horse, I dunno,  something.  I go to this well a lot (hmmm, maybe  I  need a talking horse), but it's important, and it's probably the most important on TV. Given how episodic shows work, every series is invariably going to visit well-worn ideas, because you need something to riff off of, and because there's a certain charge out of seeing new characters dealing with old concepts. But there needs to be personality there, or else it's simply a matter of marking time.

"Factor" tries to spice things up, I'll give it that much credit. It's hard to connect Yuta's thirst for revenge with the goofy looking bad guys she targets (I'm really sad I already made an  Ice Pirates  joke in an earlier review, but I will say that the costume designers for this show must've raided the set of an Italian  Mad Max  rip off), and since we never see any of the people who die, it's hard to get all that worked up at how sad their loss is. Yuta is an odd one. She's genetically modified to be practically immortal (our heroes find out that's she's been at her work for decades), and she murders her enemies via a biological contagion designed to be fatal only to the clan she's targeting. She can kill with a touch, but only if she's touching certain people. This is fun concept, but it also limits the kind of collateral damage that revenge storylines usually trade in.

So it's more interesting to view all of this craziness in how it affects the  Enterprise  and its crew. The reason Picard and everyone get involved here is that the Gatherers, a violent group of exiles from the Acamaran race, have been laying waste to Federation outposts. The only way to deal with the problem is to try and get the Gatherers back to Acamar, where they can hopefully be re-integrated into their old society. But that means peace talks, which makes me wonder once again if  Enterprise  isn't Starfleet slang for "shit detail." Yeah, I know, it's prestigious and important and they wouldn't send anyone but they're most trusted yada yada, but it doesn't seem like anyone on the ship really enjoys this kind of work. Or maybe I'm just projecting. It's safe to say Picard isn't having a fun time, at least. He makes an excellent negotiator between the two parties, once everyone is in place, but I think if he had his wish, he'd be out exploring.

At least Riker tries to have some fun. He puts the moves on Yuta, who comes aboard the ship in the guise of one of Sovereign Marouk's attendants. (The Sovereign is a big Acamarian VIP whose change of heart towards the Gatherers never comes across as particularly character driven. Obviously Marouk has to be more amenable to a settlement in order for Yuta's actions to have consequences; if Marouk refused to entertain the possibility of a truce, then the murders wouldn't really be threatening anything, and we wouldn't have that really excellent final confrontation. But while I like to be an optimist about the capacity of intelligent life forms to change their opinions when faced with superior reasoning, I'm suspicious when it happens as instantaneously as it does here.) Riker is yet another aggressive move-putter-onner, but in his case, the aggression never rises above forthright friendliness. I like that—I'm not sure how well it would work in the real world, but in the  sexually egalitarian universe of  TNG , there's something sensible about being friendly and encouraging to someone you find attractive, and letting them come to whatever conclusions they like. Maybe that's what Riker gets out of his friendship with Troi—he knows there's at least somebody on the  Enterprise  who's still into him, whether or not they're together, so why sweat over individual assignations?

One might question the logic of becoming romantically entangled with a member of a diplomatic party during a tense, potentially life-threatening negotiation, but that never becomes an issue. Riker cares about Yuta, but that caring doesn't extend towards sacrificing his better judgment. After Yuta kills a Gatherer named Volnath, Riker and the others work to find out what caused the death, and when he's finally forced to confront Yuta directly, during a meeting between Marouk, Picard, and Chorgan, the leader of the Gatherers, he ends up killing her to stop her from killing Chorgan. It's a tense scene in an episode that, considering the stakes, is generally not all that thrilling. Riker explains the situation to everyone in the room, Yuta makes a move towards Chorgan, and Riker hits her with the phaser on stun. She falters, then stands straight and takes another step forward. Riker fires again, Yuta fumbles, but she keeps going forward. Riker begs her to stop. She doesn't listen.

There are some things in "Vengeance" I liked quite a bit—I liked that Brull, the Gatherer who joins the  Enterprise  in order to lead them to Chorgan, starts off as kind of a moron but forms an oddly charming attachment to Wesley, sharing with the Boy Blunder his desire for a better world for his own children. I like Picard's frustration at the tedium of diplomatic work. And I like the the concept of the episode overall, though I suspect it may have been better served by jettisoning the Yuta plot entirely, and dealing more with the difficulties of trying to form a lasting peace between two parties on uneven ground. But dropping Yuta would've meant losing Riker's final shot, a kill shot, one that vaporizes his brief paramour into nothingness. It's not a scene that works all that well if you think about it (why not beam Yuta back to the Enterprise where she'd be harmless? Why not keep shooting her with stun until she collapsed?), but in the moment, it's intense, shocking stuff. Everybody's friendly on the  Enterprise . Until you take that one step too far.

Stray Observations:

• For a slow-aging, Typhoid Mary, last of her race murderess, Yuta is really boring. Maybe Riker has a thing for forehead ridges.

"The Defector"

Or  The One With Painless Suicide and The Romulan Sting 

I'd like to think I have a code. Maybe not a code, exactly; I don't pretend I have any set rules to getting through my oh so stressful life as full-time librarian's assistant, part-time Internet snarkologist. But I'd like to think that there are lines out there, and that, with someone of them, were the situation to arise there I'd have to make a choice between one side or the other, I would be able to choose between the two based on some internally consistent ethics and morality. Like, if I wanted to join some kind of a club, and the club told me in order to join, I'd have to shoot a homeless person, I think it's safe to say, I would say no to this club, even if they had a really cool tree fort and were offering me a free gun. Or to make it a trickier call, if I was being offered money to, say, give something a favorable review, I would totally never do that, even if I could use the cash because of student loans and everything else, and it's not like anybody cares about my opinion in the long run, so maybe give me a call sometime and we can work something out?

Anyway, what I'm saying is, I like to think that I could be a good man if I was ever thrown into a situation where being a good man meant more hardship than just not running over slow people in the crosswalk. (My favorites are the ones who wait till the No Walk signal goes up before crossing directly into traffic. I think they are all Satan.) In "The Defector," a Romulan commander betrays his race because be believes that, in doing so, he can help make the universe safer for his children. It's a monumental decision, an attempt by an individual to take a moral stance not just against an action, but against the general philosophy of his entire government, and in doing so, the Romulan leaves behind everything he's ever known and loved, forever. Then he finds out that his actions have all been planned out by the ones he sought to sabotage, rendering his sacrifice pointless. It's a dark, dark episode, despite the occasional moments of levity, and it ends with a suicide. So, no huge surprises that Ron Moore is the main writer.

If you reverse the perspectives here, and look at the situation from Picard's perspective, the Moore-ian themes become even more clear. "Defector" is about trust, and how difficult it is to  define "truth" even under ideal circumstances—not that Starfleet's shaky relations with the Romulans are anything close to ideal. I love how "Defector" plays with our expectations. Whenever I watch an episode like this, my impulse is to assume the truth is the opposite of whatever the narrative is currently pushing on me. It's something a lifetime of watching shows and reading stories have taught me; you go against the flow. The least obvious suspect in a murder mystery stands a good chance of being the killer. Unless you're dealing with a clever writer, in which case the least obvious suspect might simply be a red herring designed to catch you off-guard, and it's really the  most  obvious suspect who's responsible. Unless you're dealing with a writer that's even more clever than that, and it's some kind of double bluff, and then it turns out everything's this crazy fat guy's hallucination and the whole movie turns into a piece of shit!

Ahem. All I'm saying is, the more you watch this stuff, the more patterns you start to suss out, and the more prepared you are to recognize those patterns before the story really wants you to be aware of them. It's not something I do on purpose. I'll admit, I get a certain thrill of pride when I figure out a twist ahead of time, but I've been burned by this before too. (I was very pleased with myself for figuring out the big reveal of  A Beautiful Mind  based on the trailer, but I also spent the last hour of  12 Monkeys  really hoping I was wrong about the ending. I wasn't, and that meant I was too busy getting pissy to really enjoy the movie.) Which means I really get a kick out of a twist that catches me off-guard. "The Defector" does a great job at this, by providing us with a mystery: is Admiral Jarok, the titular turncoat, telling the truth about Romulan operations? Or is he part of some larger scheme designed to trick the  Enterprise  into fumbling into an ambush? The episode spends so much time focused on this issue, letting us spend time with Jarok to decide if we trust him, following Picard and the others as they pick apart the holes in Jarok's story, that it fools us (or fooled me, anyway) into thinking this was, like my adolescent thoughts on relationships, a purely binary issue. Either Jarok was telling the truth or he wasn't. That was all that mattered.

And then, of course, it doesn't. It's that fabled extra step you hear about in reviews a lot, that final turn of the screw that takes a story from good (and this episode is very, very good) to spectacular, simply by throwing us in a direction that we don't see coming in a way that still works organically with what we've already seen, and that actually works to emphasize or throw into a new light all the details we've accumulated up to that point. Jarok, it turns out, isn't a liar. He believes that the current tense relations between his people and the Federation have to be put to an end, and he's willing to sacrifice his career and even his life in the name of that end. To find out that he was used the whole time is both effectively upsetting from an emotional standpoint (by the end of the episode, Jarok had become one of my favorite one-off characters on the series), as well as reinforcing the need for Jarok's actions even while rendering them moot. It's a devastating reveal, and Moore deserves credit for refusing to soften it with any kind of happy ending.

There are a ton of great scenes in "The Defector." The cold open is terrific: we start with a pair of random guys standing by a campfire, talking Shakespearean English, and then Data shows up, dressed to match them, and we listen to more of  Henry V.  Finally we get a cut to Picard, in his standard uniform, watching the whole scene with a tremendous enthusiasm, and it's not too hard to put the pieces together. (Figuring this out is made slightly more difficult by the fact that Patrick Stewart is actually playing one of the random guys. He's heavily made up, but you can still see the actor under the make-up, and his voice is distinctive enough that even if you missed the features, you'd recognize the tone. There's no reference made to the doubling in the episode itself. I can see making the argument that it's a distraction, but really, if there's any Shakespeare to be had in  TNG , it's only fitting that Stewart should have some part in it, no matter how small.) The scene speaks of war, which is thematically appropriate, and it's a good reminder that Data is still striving to be human, but really, I think I just like this because it's one of those cool hang-out scenes that make the  Enterprise  feel more like a living, breathing world.

Data does some further research on being alive by spending some time with Jarok (who is played by James Sloyan. Sloyan does excellent work; Jarok skirts the edge of hamminess, but the character is an effective mixture of off-putting arrogance and charming directness. He's likable by the end because he makes no real effort to be liked). Unsurprisingly, Jarok is willing to open up with Data, and Data creates a program replicating a part of Jarok's homeworld in the holodeck, in order to provide some comfort for the Admiral for all he's left behind. The scene where Data shows Jarok the program is very smartly done. It's no surprise that Jarok would reject the illusion, because everything we've gotten to know about the character has told us this is someone who values plain-speaking and truth above all else. What makes this work is that Jarok is initially overcome by the sight of his past. It makes him more vulnerable, and easier to care about.

Picard gets some terrific dialog with Jarok as well, where Picard expresses his frustrations and the difficulties of knowing what to do with the information Jarok offers, and Jarok confesses he has a daughter, and how that daughter was the prime motivation for his decision to defect. Moore would show himself to be a genius on  Battlestar Galactica  in dealing with characters struggling to find common ground, even while we, in the audience, sympathize with both sides. You can get good drama out of a unified group working towards a seemingly impossible goal, but you can get great drama out of that group if unification is never taken for granted, if each individual is granted some measure of individual desire, and if cooperation relies as much on compromise and faith as it does on a common enemy. It's easy to understand why Picard is so suspicious throughout "Defector." By the end of the episode, it's just as easy to understand why Jarok did what he did. You want them to come to some kind of mutual truce, but there's no assumption that will happen, and when the truce does arrive, it's not a happy one.

So yeah, Jarok commits suicide at the end of "Defector." Has a character ever offed themselves at the conclusion of a  TNG  episode before? I don't think we've had many suicides on the series, and there's a difference between a death before the third commercial break, and one before the end credits. It's a bleak note to end on, and the letter Jarok leaves to his wife and daughter is a heartbreaking final touch. He knows there's no way that letter could be delivered as current relations between the Federation and the Romulan empire stand. But he leaves it any way, both as a symbol of why he sacrificed so much, and in the hope that maybe, someday, things could change. His voice may have been alone back home, but he won't be the last to speak out, and maybe, someday, there will be enough so that an individual need not betray all he knows to save all he loves.

• Hey, it's Tomalak again! We get a reference or two to "The Enemy." And how awesome Picard's trick of pulling two Klingon ships out of a proverbial hat?
• "I expected more than an idle threat from you, Picard." "Then you shall have it."
• Next week, we look at "The Hunted" and "The High Ground."

Lisa Wilcox

Wilcox is perhaps best known for playing Alice Johnson in A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master (1988, with Brooke Bundy ) and A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child (1989, with Michael Bailey Smith ). She made her film debut in Gimme an 'F' 1984, starring Daphne Ashbrook and Clyde Kusatsu ).

In 1987, Wilcox had a regular role on the soap opera General Hospital . In 1989, she made recurring appearances as Ellen on Knots Landing with fellow Next Generation guest actors Melinda Culea , Vincent Schiavelli and Cary-Hiroyuki . In 1992, she starred as Missy Preston on the short-lived, live-action version of Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventures .

In addition to The Next Generation , the television shows in which Wilcox has guest-starred include Hardcastle and McCormick (1985, starring Brian Keith and Daniel Hugh Kelly ), MacGyver (1987, with Lawrence Dobkin ), Bodies of Evidence (1993, with Jennifer Hetrick and Jennifer S. Parsons ), Murder, She Wrote (1994, with Robert Curtis Brown and Bruce Gray ), Walker, Texas Ranger (1998, starring Noble Willingham ), and Chicago Hope (1998, with Jeff Allin ).

Wilcox played the title role in the short film The All New Adventures of Chastity Blade (2000) and played Florence Henderson in the television movie Unauthorized Brady Bunch: The Final Days (2000, with Robert Curtis Brown , David Selburg , and Antony Acker ). She can also be seen in the films Men Seeking Women (1997) and Watchers Reborn (1998).

Between 2000 and 2007 Wilcox took an acting break and co-founded the jewelry and fashion company Toe Brights. [1]

More recently, Wilcox had a guest role in two episodes of Big Shots (2007, with Jessica Collins , Rick Scarry , and Wayne Thomas Yorke ) and in the pilot episode of Harry's Law (2011, with Ivar Brogger ), starred in the drama The Intruders (2009) and the science fiction thriller Savage (2009), was part of the main cast in the short horror series Fear Clinic (2009, co-starring Kane Hodder and produced by Bobbi Sue Luther ), and completed the thriller Sebastian (2011, with Meg Foster ).

Other Trek connections [ ]

• You Again? episode "Marry Me a Little" (1986) with Sharon Acker )
• CBS Schoolbreak Special episode "Little Miss Perfect" (1987, with Victor Rivers )
• Valerie episode "Life and Other Strangers" (1987, with Tom Hodges )
• Bring Me the Head of Dobie Gillis (1988 TV movie, with William Schallert and Scott Grimes )
• Hotel (1988, with Gracie Harrison )
• Episode "Birds Do It, Bees Do It" (1989, with Vincent Schiavelli and Melanie Shatner )
• Episode "Giganticus II: The Revenge" (1989, with Cary-Hiroyuki )
• Something Is Out There (1989, with Gregory Sierra )
• Episode "Class Pre-Union" (1993, with Christine Healy )
• Episode "It's a Wonderful Night" (1994, with Jason Marsden )
• Pacific Blue (1997, with Joseph Campanella )

External links [ ]

• LisaEWilcox.com – official site
• Lisa Wilcox at Wikipedia
• Lisa Wilcox at the Internet Movie Database
• 1 Daniels (Crewman)

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• It actually wouldn't have mattered if she had touched any of the Gatherers other than Chorgan, since her virus only affects members of the Clan Lornak. The simplest thing would have been to beam either Chorgan or Yuta to the Enterprise and then go explain. Or at least, rather than telling Chorgan to stay seated for some reason, Riker should instruct him to make a run for it.
• Riker doesn't know exactly how does the virus work. For all he knows she can kill from afar so attempt at constraint or beaming Yuta might fail. She admits being enhanced and brushes off stun so there's a good chance she is stronger than she looks.
• Presumably Acamarians age at a similar rate as humans and the crew knows this.
• There are only three people present in that scene; being Data, Riker and Crusher (and in Data’s case, we don’t actually see him be surprised). All three characters had every reason to have a knowledge of the Acamarians’ life span. Given Data's tendency to memorise pretty much every fact about every obscure planet, it's rather implausible that he wouldn't know something as basic as the life expectancy of the Acamarians when they were on a mission involving their planet specifically. As for Crusher, she is a doctor and would be expected to have at least that level of rudimentary knowledge especially considering she had Acamarians on the ship and given she’d studied the cause of death for one Acamarian. It’s unlikely she wouldn’t have looked up basic details of their biology such as rate of cellular decay and life expectancy. As for Riker, there was a joke early in the episode where one of the gatherers mocked Marouk when she suggested they hadn't changed in a hundred years and they suggested that, "You should know. You were there." The joke, which was conducted in full view of several crewmembers of the Enterprise including Riker himself, only made sense if an Acamarian being old enough to have been around a hundred years ago would be considered comically old. This clearly implied that the Acamarians were not a long-lived species. So even if Riker hadn’t looked up the life expectancy of the Acamarians, he certainly would have expected them to age over a 50 year timespan. So all three people present at the scene where Yuta's age was revealed, would reasonably be expected to be shocked that she hadn't aged.
• Picard not moving is a Special Effects Failure — apparently they were unable to create the disintegration effect with Picard moving (see Trivia ).
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Paramount Pictures Officially Confirms Star Trek Origin Movie For Its Upcoming Film Slate

| April 11, 2024 | By: Anthony Pascale 240 comments so far

Today, the road to the next Star Trek feature film took a small but significant step towards becoming reality.

Paramount makes it official

Earlier this year, it was reported that Paramount Pictures was developing a new Star Trek feature film in parallel development to the “Star Trek 4” sequel to 2016’s Star Trek Beyond . Today the studio made the reports official as they announced their slate of films for 2025 and 2026, an official list which includes what Paramount is now calling “Untitled Star Trek Origin Story.” The studio also confirms the previously reported details: The film is “set decades before the original 2009 Star Trek film.” Toby Haynes ( Andor , Black Mirror “USS Callister”) is directing based on a screenplay by Seth Grahame-Smith ( The Lego Batman Movie ), with J.J. Abrams returning as producer.

The Star Trek movie was just one of many the studio confirmed as part of their 2025/2026 slate at their CinemaCon presentation today. Paramount Pictures CEO Brian Robbins led the studio’s presentation at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. This is the first time Star Trek has been part of the studio’s annual CinemaCon event since Robbins took over in 2021.

The “Star Trek 4” sequel to Beyond was not part of today’s CinemaCon presentation, presumably because with the recent hiring of a new screenwriter , that film would not be ready for theaters by 2026. It has also been reported that the origin story movie is set to start filming by the end of the year. There are no details yet on the plot, specific time setting, or cast. If Paramount can move fast enough they could get the origin movie into theaters by 2026—in time for Star Trek’s 60th anniversary.

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Fool me once … ( also I want a movie but until someone gets a set built I’m not holding my breath )

I’m not pre-ordering my tickets…..

You would need a title and a premiere date to order tickets. This film has neither.

I’d wait to believe it until you actually see a movie trailer for it. Noah Hawley was in the casting stage when they cancelled his Trek movie. They might have even started on the sets.

The film is on Noah’s IMDB Credits list…

Yep. I heard ferries exist too!

Car ferries?

Even now, it potentially doesn’t matter. They could pull a Zaslav and shelve the film after it was all but released.

I won’t believe it until my butt is in the theater seat and the film starts playing.

We don’t need the origin story. We have it already. It was called “Enterprise”.

I didn’t realize there was such a large interest in a Star Trek origin movie. It’s their money to burn.

I still believe this is their way of rebooting the “prime” universe from the beginning and remaking it in a new image. I see no other point of doing an origin movie. First Contact and Star trek: Enterprise were origin enough IMO.

I don’t quite get it either. We already got that with First Contact and Enterprise. What else is there that could interest the general public.

Yeah, and for me, the period between First Contact and Enterprise just doesn’t seem that exciting. The period between Enterprise and the Nero incursion would be more interesting, I guess.

They wrote that the origin film would be “set decades before the original 2009 Star Trek film”. That film (in-universe) is set in 2233 (Nero incursion) and 2258 (main plot) respectively. So “decades before” would be after Enterprise, probably after the formation of the Federation, most probably before the Nero incursion, maybe around the turn of the century.

It’s just odd they are calling it an “origin” movie if it happens after Enterprise.

I’m curious what they mean by “origin”. The origin of Starfleet would be before Enterprise and the origin of the Federation would be after.

Also, the origin of Star Trek would have to be before the events of First Contact.

…assuming there is a concern about canon whatsoever, of course.

Many assumptions to be made at this point for sure.

Assuming this announcement doesn’t get added to the pile of previous unmade-movie announcements.

They’re calling it an origin movie to appeal to newcomers and casual fans.

Maybe we’ll see the founding of the Federation?

We already saw that in the infamous final episode of Enterprise. If they revisit that, they’d have to include the NX-01 crew and do a *lot* of deaging. 😉

They could show the first year of the Federation or something.

The obvious way to go is just do the Romulan war which leads into the founding of the Federation and what Enterprise was supposed to do.

That’s really the only thing fans actually want to see in terms of a prequel story.

Which was already scripted for Berman nearly 20 years ago by the band of brothers screenwriter.

Yep. I heard that’s what they were considering doing until the Kelvin movie got greenlit instead.

Overall the Kelvin movie was probably the better choice in terms of box office but I probably would’ve preferred the Romulan war idea because it did sound more original and different.

That’s something, the Romulan War. That’s a big event, it could have action and you probably can just invent your own characters.

Couldn’t they just carry on from the end instead of squeezing more new shows in between what we already have?

For how little Trek lore has fleshed out that imaginary bit of history, do we really need to be putting some detail to how we went from post-apocalyptic hellhole to utopian paradise in fifty years? Maybe some enterprising human stole a replicator off a Vulcan ship and reverse engineered it? Seeing the sausage being made may not be a great on screen adventure…

Eastern Europe isn’t the best example – while they’ve done okay extricating themselves from the communist wasteland, it was (and is) without its setbacks.

that’s what makes me so crazy. Discovery was the chance to reboot the “prime” universe but they have stubbornly stuck to this quisling versio

Not only that, they already did a Star Trek origin movie. Star TRek 2009. But sure lets put more money in it, have it fail, and then blame the box office on why we will never get more trek. Thats a great idea!

That was really a Kirk and Spock origin story. There’s a century of Federation/Starfleet before them that we know almost nothing about. Plenty of room for a good one-off story. Maybe a story 20-ish years before Discovery , with Captain April and Lt. Commander Pike? Could have a young Sarek, too.

First off do we even know what they mean by “origin”?

Could be about the founding of the federation, the Romulan War, or the early days of starfleet pre-Enterprise.

It may have nothing to do with Kirk and Spock, the Enterprise, might not be any kind of reboot or reset.

My gut says it’s set in the Kelvin timeline and it takes place post USS Kelvin but pre-2009 Trek. And I’m fine with that.

They already said it will be based in the prime universe, not the Kelvin. I don’t know why they framed that press release that way but I guess since the Kelvin movies are the current movies they wanted to make clear to people this movie is before all of that I guess.

And obviously will have nothing to do with Kirk and Spock because it will be before they were even born.

I agree. I’m not really interested in a ST origin film either, for the reasons you stated. I think, if they were to do one, it has to have some good hook. Say something like Kirk before Enterprise, or Robert April’s time on the Enterprise as its first captain, but I think that’s been pretty much done with Strange New Worlds.

Maybe Picard on the Stargazer before TNG?

Otherwise, you’ll be getting something with a cast of characters that you’ve never heard off, or, if you have, it’s been a line in an episode.

These announcements feel like Groundhog Day, don’t they? Maybe that’s the story they should tell.

A feature length version of Cause and Effect…

I’m guessing Romulan Star Empire Wars era setting.

Yeah, maybe it’s the concept Rick Berman pitched: a Romulan War film where the NX-01 is off vacationing at Risa.

How about Star Trek: Federation . Founding of the Federation, which is immediately followed by a crisis requiring the urgent launch of USS Federation (NCC-01). Scott Bakula has a cameo appearance as President Archer.

Here we go! :D

Star Trek Origins: The Future Begins

Yeah but it’s not as exciting when we literally have a thousand years of that future now.

This is why prequels bore so many people when we already know so much about the future it’s setting up.

At least with the Kelvin movies they were smart to not make it a traditional prequel and people still hated those too.

I will never understand the obsession of going backwards when you have a fanbase that is constantly begging to go forward and prequels don’t attract new fans at all because they are made for oddly old fans in mind. You only cared about how Anakin became Vader in the prequels if you watched the OT.

We really know almost nothing (in canon) about the entire century that elapses between Enterprise and Discovery , though. I would have preferred Kelvin Movie 4 or even a post-TNG original movie (maybe with Patrick Stewart making a cameo) but I could get behind a canon treatment about the first years of the Federation.

If it’s really something good or interesting fine. If it’s just ‘this is how the Federation was formed” we already got that already.

Now if it’s the Romulan war or something then that’s at least something people can get excited about. But yeah we already know how it ends so maybe that won’t be it either.

I just can’t really get to excited about a prequel movie.

Yeah, I think the Romulan war would be a great premise for a movie, BUT according to TOS the battles were fought with “primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels which allowed no quarter, no captives, nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication; therefore, no human, Romulan or ally has ever seen the other.”

In other words canon would have to be completely ignored – we all know Enterprise completely disregarded the TOS take of the war as the NX-01 had visual comms, phase cannons and photonic torpedoes. If the story is a good one, I am totally good with ignoring canon, but of course others are not.

Yeah that’s always the issue with the Romulan War thing, it’s really hard to make a compelling story about it when you are fighting it without directly engaging the enemy.

That said I’m 100% convinced they will just ignore that and do what they want or just find an excuse to change ot. Look at SNW, this the show that has shown the Gorn years before they were supposed to be seen and completely changed Khan’s original timeline using TCW as the reason..

Discovery had an entire Klingon War when that didn’t remotely exist in canon.

So yeah it probably won’t matter that much end of the day. They will just make what they want and then will use some excuse to do it. That’s been the case since Enterprise as you said.

Exactly! Very well put!! I just wish someone from TPTB would listen already!

Think about it prequels are easy to make because most of the writing is done for you. You don’t have to come up with where these characters will go.

Only if they are old characters though. But this sounds like Enterprise and not SNW and it will be all new characters.

So, it would be set after Enterprise and before the Kelvin fiasco. Awesome.

Probably the Romulan Wars. And with no Enterprise. Not excited

If only I could insert the Will Farrel “I don’t believe you!” GIF.

Whatever this turns out to be, hopefully it will be interesting. More likely it will turn out to be just another dead Trek movie project.

So many of these stories do seem to go absolutely nowhere! However, I am not as negative about an origin story as some fans are. At this point, I am more neutral on the movie. I can see that under the right circumstances it could be quite interesting. Although prequels can be a tough sell to Star Trek fans. Ultimately the fact that’s a movie could work in its favor though. Less storylines to produce over the years might help keep the story focused! Though I am not sure it would be a box office draw.

I’ll believe it when I’ve seen it in theaters, listened to TrekMovie’s review, and have the blu-ray on my shelf 4 months later.

Where to place the Blu-ray tho?

Before ST09 or after Beyond? …or.. Before TOS?

They go in order of release, for me. But could this be the first Trek film I don’t purchase on disc? Time may tell…

It’s an origin story taking place in the prime universe so it will go either before or after Enterprise basically.

I’ll believe it when it actually happens. Also, Seth Grahame-Smith is not a good writer, so that doesn’t bode well.

My thoughts exactly.

I liked the book Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, but not the movie.

I absolutely loved the Lego Batman movie, though. If he is able to incorporate Trek lore with as much care as he did for Batman, it could turn out to be a very good movie after all.

I’ll believe it when I’m sat i theatre turning off my phone with my Star Trek Origins screensaver and eating popcorn out my STO popcorn bucket (the lid in shape of the Starfleet A insignia )

He co wrote The Flash right? I really liked that , I could imagine something similar happening with Nero as happened with Zod in that (going back to 1st film via timetravel)

This is what’s over at Box Office Mojo: Untitled Star Trek: Beyond Sequel (????)

Grain of salt, anyone?

There are apparently two movies planned. Origin and Trek 4…

Actually there are three now including one that we all thought was DOA two minutes after it was announced.

Three movies in development from a studio who has cancelled four of them for 8 years now. And this will be the fourth new script for the next Kelvin movie.

That’s why everyone is very very confident this one is happening for sure. 🙄

The only thing we can take to the bank is we will see Section 31, starring Academy Award winner Michelle Yeoh!!

Pretty much.

And a studio that is broke and in debt with junk status. None of these will likely be made or just the super cheapy origin movie if they can keep the budget low.

My thoughts exactly as well.

I’m pretty sure you got your facts wrong.

Sigh. Why do the powers that be always want to go backward in the ST timeline and do origin stories and such?

Lack of confidence in new ideas and to make it as cheaply as possible, are two things that come to mind right away.

It’s simple. They don’t want all that trek nerd baggage. They want a movie anyone would go to see and understand.

How’s that working for them?

You don’t get it.

I don’t get it either? It’s not like the prequel stuff has been huge home runs or big money makers.

The Star Wars prequels made a lot of money. That’s what Paramount still looks at, even though they have yet to duplicate that financial success.

Yes but that’s STAR WARS! It’s going to make a lot of money period. And those prequels came out when it was just the OT and nothing else for literally decades. There was a lot of hype just returning to those stories.

This is not the same thing, especially when we already had so many prequels in Trek now and with mixed results. That said I’m not saying it can’t be successful but I don’t see any huge hype around it either because most fans just seem to want to go forward and not backwards.

All the negativity over this ‘announcement’ is well deserved. Just make a fcking movie already Paramount, Jesus.

But I suspect IF this one is real it’s probably a much cheaper movie being new actors and maybe something with a lot less explosions and FX. I suspect it will probably be around $100 million.

It’s certainly doesn’t sound like something they are pushing to make a billion dollars or anything. Only people who cares about a prequel will be mostly old fans and even they aren’t exactly excited about yet another prequel judging by all the reactions so far. Maybe they will attract an A list star or a well respected one to bring more hype to it.

But same time I been pushing to just do something NEW with new characters and setting forever now. Stop trouting out Kirk and Picard, take a real chance with the franchise for a change. I was hoping it would be Post Nemesis but I should be happy I finally got half of what I wanted lol.

But I’ll believe it when I see it. I have literally been saying this line for six years now and I’m really tired of saying it. 🙄

Yup, exactly. Assuming it even happens, the premise sounds weak. Not surprised.

Yep. Unless it’s something truly mind blowing it’s not going to elicit a lot of excitement. Sure we’ll all go lol but I don’t see this thing having any real pull beyond the true believers.

It probably got the greenlight because its really cheap and it’s becoming embarrassing how long this franchise has languished.

I really only go to movie theaters to see Trek films (much prefer the comforts of home to see movies), so yup I’ll be going, good or bad. And yes, it is really pathetic the way this franchise has been treated on the big screen for the past 20 years. Disgraceful.

Ummm… what premise?? The only thing we know is that it is an origin movie. Nothing else. There IS no premise yet…

I think he means just another origin story itself feels a bit tired. But yes we don’t specifically know what that means yet but anything before TOS at this point just doesn’t really get a lot of fans all that hot and bother.

Whatever it ends up being it’s just filling in to more history we already know.

I get it. But no matter what era they make a movie in, there will be complaints. We have done prequels – some fans hate that. We have done same era as TNGish – fans complained. Likewise, we have had a show set in the future (soon to be another) – fans complained. There aren’t many options left.

Before TOS: Enterprise, JJ movies, Discovery, SNW just after TNG era: Picard, Prodigy, Lower Decks Future: Discovery, Starfleet Academy

Do they just make things in the era of TNG, DS9 and Voyager? No matter what is produced, there will always be a fan base that is unhappy.

Most people seem to really want the Legacy show though. I think for the majority of fans they may not agree with everything but there is definitely a sense they rather go forwards than backwards and why 4 of the 5 shows are post Nemesis shows.

And if you gave the option between a Legacy movie or this prequel idea, it wouldn’t be close.

I just don’t think making a prequel movie is the best idea out there. And I don’t think new audiences will remotely care one way or the other.

I’m going to start reporting you now. One guy got the boot for being an obsessive troll and like you was already banned before anyway.

Leave me alone from this point on. I mean it.

What a total disappointment. I wanted to see the Kelvin crew return. It’s going to be 10 years between films.

Please be Kirk and Spock at least.

Check the first paragraph of the article out again. This one is presumably being developed ‘in parallel’ to the Kelvin crew sequel.

Recast Kirk and Spock, I presume?

I wouldn’t be surprised if the main character is Kirk’s great grandfather, Tiberius something or other.

And not surprised there was no announcement of the next JJ verse movie. I predicted a few weeks ago that one wouldn’t get made by 2026 or the 60th anniversary. Frankly I don’t even know why they are even bothering with it anymore? Whenever it’s supposed to come out it’s already going to be the last one and over 10 years since the last one came out.

What’s even the point? They are clearly moving on from it.

As far as the origin movie why not just make it for the 60th anniversary? Why rush it? It’s already been nearly a decade, what’s one more year at this point and you can Marley it better in an anniversary year.

Its the reverse of ST 6, here we getting the prequel movie instead of the final cast film (for the anniversary)

Someone on another board said we are probably getting the sequel to First Contact so it would make sense to have it for the 6Oth anniversary 30 years apart lol.

“[S]et decades before the original 2009 Star Trek film?”

Gimme Archer & T’Pol, or else…

Neither actor has any interest in returning to Star Trek, so that won’t happen.

I’ve only heard Bakula say that about Quantum Leap , not Enterprise . And this is a feature film, a lot harder for an actor to turn down. I agree with his decision to ignore the QL reboot (that series didn’t capture the heart and soul of the original at all) but if Paramount approached him with “we want you to play President Archer for a few scenes in this movie” I doubt he’d say no.

No, no no. You’ve got it all wrong. It’s a story about a little design firm vying for the chance to design the Enterprise. It’s a story about a plucky band of mechanical engineers and physicists who come together to do the best pitch of their lives in a bidding war with three other firms. So, an origin story…from a certain point of view. ;)

I would watch,THAT!

I would write that!

I would direct that! (If I was Christopher Nolan)

No, I want Nolan doing ThePrisoner! He’s already got a script from the guy who wrote 12 Monkeys and the best stuff in Blade Runner, from over a decade back.

You probably meant it as a joke, but I’m also intrigued by this idea :D

Charlie Kaufmann does star trek.

Sure, you can store anti-matter in a glass jar. What could possibly go wrong?

Y’know, I know this is said partly in jest, but I wouldn’t mind that kind of movie if it was sort of a space race / WWII / Cold War drama, kind of a mix of Oppenheimer and The Right Stuff.

There’s a geo (spatio?) political angle (firm up the borders of the Federation, mitigate threats, and establish new allies while keeping up the exploration / first contact initiatives), the pressure on the engineering team to deliver groundbreaking new tech (and probably the cost of failed experiments, accidents, etc.), and then recruiting and training a new kind of crew – a starship crew (as Captain Merrick described them in ‘Bread and Circuses’.)

In essence, the origin of Starfleet as we know it – the first long-duration missions, the best of the best crewmembers, cross-trained, multidisciplinary, and for the first time, widely multi-species, etc.

Glad you all like. Paramount, you can send the check to: bmar, care of….

I’m thinking there’s going to be peace in the Middle East and nuclear fusion power is going to be a reality before they ever get back to the theaters.

Once upon a time I enjoyed Star Trek. Since the Nu Trek era began. I havent enjoyed any of the story arcs. They are just too aweful. There is a multitude of reasons why throught the web. Strange New Worlds S1 corrected course, however S2 not so. There are forces at work at Paramount. They are hell bent to destroy Star Trek. If Kurtzman and crew are in charge of the new movie. Get ready for more fantasy drama nonsense, and less plausable sci-fi.

Same here. I can’t get into NuTrek much at all. It feels like a shell of the golden era. For me that will always be 1966-2005.

But if others like it and getting new fans I’m very happy for them.

Same here. I’ve found a few gems in SNW S1, PIC S3, and S1 of Prodigy, but otherwise have been very disappointed in “NuTrek.” Of course I wish the franchise the best, but so far it’s been more misses than hits for me.

Yes I truly love Picard season 3! The best thing to come out of NuTrek so far. I don’t hate SNW but it railroads canon too much for my taste but it does feel like Star Trek again.

I haven’t seen Prodigy yet but I plan to watch it when season 2 begins and will watch season 1 before that one. Everyone kept saying it’s for kids and I’m far from a kid these days lol. But others here convinced me it’s a show for adults too so will give it a go

Wow, hell-bent on destroying Trek. Hell-bent, you say!! Just a tough melodramatic, are you?

Really don’t care about prequels and just want to keep going forward. Why not a movie in the 25th or 26th century with new crew and characters?

I may care more if Archer is involved or something. But I suspect this movie will bomb like the last one did. Only fans cares about prequels. New fans won’t care at all.

At least it’s in the prime universe again I guess.

But 25th or 26th century would still be a prequel to Discovery’s 32nd century :D

That doesn’t bother me because we don’t know anything about those time periods. We already know plenty about everything before TOS because it’s all been said or told now

Yeah I said this to another member the other day discussing any post Picard stories and that it will be completely new stories in a period we don’t know so it’s not the same thing. When you’re doing something like a TOS prequel you only have so much room and while it can certainly be interesting and creative it basically just like filling in to more stuff we already know.

That said the Section 31 movie time period is at least more interesting because it covers a much wider time period and they can be a lot more freer with the technology, etc so looking forward to that at least.

Yes I will admit although I’m not a big fan of the Space Nazi the time period of the movie intrigues me more. I always been curious of this period and the lead up to TNG, mostly because we know very little about it.

Discovery (in my view) kind of ruined everything in the Trek timelime. Just my opinion. Anyone who wants to just forget it happened, I’m in. Kidding, not kidding.

Agreed! I also don’t think it will be allegorical science fiction or be anything thought provoking. It will be a fast paced action adventure story that’s empty of depth and soul. Modern Star Trek is more interested in spectacle than compelling stories.

I’d guess that it means “origin of the TOS crew,” but that’s kind of weird, because we saw that in 2009.

Maybe this time they’ll start when they’re toddlers. (I kid, but not really). :)

They are going to re-do ‘A night in Sickbay’ like they did with Wrath of Khan/Into Darkness. It’ll be the same but different…..

Could this be their way of doing a George Kirk movie?

I would want to watch that, colour me intrigued…

“set decades before the original 2009 Star Trek film.”

Original 2009 Sta Trek film Sounds so wrong.

there is only two star trek origin stories i want to see the formation of the federation and it’s first few years if they have to adapt the rise of the federation novels for the movie and the origins of the borg they could adapt the plot ffor thet from the star trek destiny novels for a movie

Spot on, on both points!

2025? I hope it works out…

First we hear we are getting a Star Fleet Space Academy series that no one wants. The idea was mentioned in the 1980’s and shot down by fans. Now a retake on a Star Trek Origins films. Is any one currently running the Star Trek franchise in TV/streaming or film even listening to what the fans both old and new are saying?

It would seem not, sadly. How about establishing the time period between TUC and TNG, there’s a literal ton of stories to tell there? How the possibilities for storytelling within the franchise have been squandered over the years makes me frustrated, and frankly confused. SO many missed opportunities.

The upcoming section 31 movie will be set during that time frame as we know a young Rachel Garrett who later in life will be the captain of the enterprise c and defend the Klingon colony of narendra 3 will be in the movie maybe we will get to see the ent-b also again

Pointless movie as no audience will come see it at best it will make half its budget back. I mean they spent $250M on the 2009 movie and it showed on screen….you already know they are not spending that level otherwise it would be a Kelvin cast sequel!

I believe they spent just under 160 mil on the 09 (not counting the interest payments for holding the finished film for six months to get a summer release, or prints/advertising.) You’re probably thinking of BEYOND with the 250 number.

I still can’t see the money on screen in the 09, shooting in the damn brewery was Corman-level cheap.

The Numbers have the 09 costs 140 and BO Mojo sez 150, so yeah, way under the 250m you mention.

Can the ethos of Trek be distilled by JJ? Bob orci was bad for trek.

Kurtzman seemed to fall into trap w/discovery season 1.

Season 2, Picard, Lower Decks and SNW definitely sealed my thinking that Trek was in right hands.

Is section 31 and Rachel Garrett the right pivot for Trek? I thought 24th/25th century had plenty of stories to still tell.

Enterprise C, and possibly Tasha Yar/Sela after the events of Yesterday’s Enterprise! This should reboot TNG/Picard if ST: Legacy doesn’t happen.

Lower Decks makes me laugh Picard made me cry (good) SNW made me feel like Kurtzman should be trusted 💯

Great. Abrams ruined Star Wars and he’s finishing of Star Trek.

JJ had a planed out story plot for what he wanted to happen in the sequels but rian johnson chose to deviate from what jj had payed out so when jj returned for episode 9 he had to try and make the best of it and make his original story plot work but with the changes Johnson had made altering it so he had to come up with another evil sith mastermind and chose palpatine and he did course correct Rey’s lineage though it was different from who he had initially planned it to be and with Carrie fishers untimely passing he had to rewrite more and he had Luke show up as a force ghost to help rey when she returned to ach-to as apparently he was never going to have Luke die until the the final battle

I hope it has nudity

….and “Invincible” level action. It’ll be a hard R Quinton Tarentino could love.

Yes, we are on the same page.

CinemaCon basically works like a network upfront. You see clips and hear a lot of announcements. When there’s no cast or start date for announced projects, there’s maybe a 50/50 chance that the project will actually move forward (I was with a former employer for over 8 years and we announced a lot of stuff that generated a lot of buzz but then never materialized).

I think Brian Robbins will be gone within the next 12 months and if Robbins is pushed out this film is dead in the water.

This is probably the right answer.

I have next to no faith this will actually happen but they only have themselves to blame lol.

I remember a former poster kept saying ‘well this a new regime ‘ they aren’t the old guys’. Uh huh. It just shows end of the day they might be different but they still answer to the same shareholders and they know another Trek film is risky. Maybe this will finally get beyond a script this time but no one will be convinced until they start shooting the thing.

Rehashing old fandom letter campaign complaints from 40 years ago, don’t equate to the modern sci-fi fan, let alone the majority of Star Trek fans of 2024. The majority of complaints in the article comments are that there isn’t enough new future timeline Star Trek, so why would people NOT want a Star Fleet Academy series – new stories, new characters, new ships, new alien species/planets etc? An Origin movie is a vague enough description that it’s probably likely that the fandom can’t come anywhere close to a correct theory on when in the Trek timeline, this movie could be set.

I agreed with a commenter earlier, a George Kirk prequel movie would satisfy a lot of the fans, and hopefully generate enough interest for new and casual Star Trek moviegoers to warrant their going to a cinema complex. As to want the hardcore Star Trek fandom really want? There is too much dissent and bitter recriminations gone by, for any serious agreement by the fandom of their requirements, to stick for any longer than the next Trek major media article to be issued. And even if a majority agreement could be achieved – then we have the Mount Everest of EP Alex Kurtzman / Secret Hideout control of Trek production, to climb. A movie or series could have a billion-dollar budget, stellar A-list cast and crew, critical media acclaim for the story / screenplay. A favourable release timing and viral marketing, but fall at the last hurdle – the box office, due to the mountain of hate piled up against Paramount, Kurzman and his associates.

Now, as to the overall custodianship of the Trek franchise and its operation as a business, in general by Paramount, and its contracted creatives? Well, that’s a whole Hollywood chapter in itself. And is any of that even relevant in the long term, with the behind-the-scenes Harry Potter Wizard chess moves that are going on at the studio ownership, and network controlling interest levels? Apologies for the extended and extensive reply.

The first thing to do in order make a successful Star Trek movie is to ignore Star Trek fans.

God, please, no origin stories.

Star Trek: The Beginning, Part 1 — A Final Frontier Origin Story

Star Trek has always been a production dealing with many human issues pushing open the veils of awkwardness, embarrassment, and unaddressed behaviors that represent our culture planet wide. Thank You Star Trek. The one thing Paramount+ did that was just totally in bad taste was cancel Prodigy, bunch of morons.

Every fan’s preferences are different, but over the years I’ve ended up streamlining various ‘franchises’ I enjoy to my own liking when it comes to a re-watch – and these days my own limited Star Trek ‘canon’ purely consists of kicking things off with ‘The Cage’ pilot storyline….followed by my specific favourite TOS episodes in ‘production order’ (starting with ‘Where No Man Has Gone Before’, and skipping ‘The Menagerie’ two-part storyline)….followed by all the TOS movie storylines….and ending the Kirk crew’s adventures with ‘The Undiscovered Country’ as my preferred send-off for them all….then skip the antics of the ‘Generations’ movie, and instead continue on with my specific favourite TNG episodes (starting with the ‘Encounter At Farpoint’ introduction to Picard and his crew)….and then conclude the entire thing with the ‘First Contact’ movie’s storyline – which covers the development of ‘warp drive’, bringing everything full circle, and giving me all the ‘origin’ specifics I need..

All other ‘Trek-related shows and movies since then remain firmly on my ‘one-watch-only’ list, but I’m more than content with what I’ve outlined above.

I don’t know if I’ll ever get a ‘Star Trek’ movie which goes much deeper than glossy ‘pew-pew’ action and explosions in the future, but I remain hopeful.there might be a storyline that I really like again.

In the meantime, for my latest ‘alien contact’ fix, I’ve just finished up enjoying the excellent ‘Three-Body’ show’s inventive storyline and characters – the subtitled, 30-episode one produced by Tencent, which is currently available on YouTube and Amazon Prime (not the muddled 8-episode ‘3 Body Problem’ version by Netflix) – So much so, that I’m intending to buy the actual trilogy of books by the Chinese author, as I can’t wait for the next season to be made to find out what happens next. Some big ideas to come by all accounts, and I’m there for a bit more of that. .

The Netflix series is Superior

You’re welcome to your own preference of course.

But I far preferred the slow burn of the mystery and character build-ups in the Tencent version compared to the condensed and altered Netflix adaption. I just happen to find it a more satisfying and riveting version overall – and I will always prefer the way the ‘Judgment Day’ tanker got ‘nano-spliced’ in the Tencent version. Such an awesome sequence from start to finish!

Anyway, if the Netflix version actually gets a second season, I’ll certainly check it out too….but I am definitely looking forward to the next season of the Tencent show, which has been greenlit already.

The Tencent version is just boring to me and you can feel the Party’s hands all over it. Glad you liked it though.

I did indeed like it. A lot. I hadn’t read the books as I said, so didn’t know what to expect. Having read up on a few things since watching both shows, it seems that that there’s plenty of others that much prefer the slower build-up of the Tencent version too.

While it doesn’t include the likes of the brutal Netflix show’s opening, the hardship that the main female character endured was covered sufficiently for me throughout the show, and I’m just glad that I got to know her story by watching this version first.

And I sure didn’t miss the amount of unnecessary swearing that the Netflix version included either, which gave the Tencent version additional points. I don’t appreciate it my ‘Star Trek’ viewing, and I didn’t need it in the telling of this memorable sci-fi tale either.

And just to add, that even better for me is the fact that there’s now been a 26-episode ‘Anniversary Edition’ version of the Tencent show released, which has been re-edited by the director.

It seemingly cuts down on some ‘filler’ run-time that was added for the sake of the show’s producers initially, so that things will follow the original book’s contents even more closely now, and improve on the pacing of the show overall. I’m very pleased about that.

Whats so bad about swearing? The human race has been swearing since language was invented and we’ll be swearing 10,000 years from now.

Again, it’s just a personal preference thing.

There’s plenty of hard-edged movies and shows that contain wall-to-wall swearing which I can watch if I’m in the mood for them. But other times I’m equally inclined to watch something with less harsh language throughout.

I really disliked the F-bombs which the ‘Picard’ show included for instance, and didn’t think the ‘Star Trek’ franchise was the better for it. And I doubt that I would have enjoyed the Tencent ‘Three-Body’ adaption any better if it had contained bad language too.

Anyway, back to this supposed ‘Star Trek origin movie. I’d like to think it won’t be littered with F-bombs either.

PG13 are allowed 1 f bomb (like Guardians 3 I finally saw other night). And Trek is very comfortable to f bombs in Picard etc so safe to say we’ll be getting Treks first movie f bomb next film :)

Data said “Oh $hit” in Generations.

Which was very mild compared to what we heard in ‘Picard” Not that I would wish to show my younger family members the ‘Picard’ show anyway, considering it turned out to be so dire overall.

However, Data’s reaction was hilarious in that scene’s context I recall. Just a pity the rest of the movie was such a dud, and not part of my own ‘Star Trek’ canon anymore.

I’ll always wonder what the Tarantino script would have given us….

we don’t need origin stories for everything! in media res is the way to go – almost always – TOS just dumps you right in the middle of events without even the clunky intros of TNG Encounter at Farpoint.

If this movie does well will IT get an origin story? We’re going to end up at the pool of goo at the dawn of humankind waiting for Picard and Q to show up…

im happy with any good trek news… even if they made a direct sequel to the final frontier… but how many origin stories do we need? i’d be happy if someone forged a path forward and created new things…

So this one is set in the five-minute period between Enterprise and Discovery? Or the as-yet unexplored time between April 5th 2063 and Enterprise where it’s “stone knives and bear skins” and no Trek tech to speak of? Enterprise was the prequel! How’d that one work out?

If the movie is made ,I will judge it then.

I wanted the 4th Kelvin, do they know who their audience is? Nobody i know, Star Trek fan or general audience bothered to go see Beyond. It was like Nemesis all over again. The trailer was terrible, the movie was kind of meh to be honest. So in the intervening years since the 2009 somewhere they lost the audience. Star Trek 2009 was an event movie, and 2015 Force Awakens was as well. Good job letting JJ go to Disney so Star Trek died as a film series.

I’m guessing the fourth movie is still too costly to risk making another one at least right now.

Someone threw out an an interesting theory on the last thread discussing this for the 47th time that they suggested Paramount have no plans to actually make another Kelvin movie but just as a rouse for the next company that buys the studio.

It really makes sense at this point, they can dangle the idea the movie is in ‘development’ and then when someone actually buys it they can just decide to make it or cancel it.

I mean it doesn’t sound crazy considering where we are. It’s a movie that is working with their fourth new writer but there is still no director or even a starting date of any kind within the the next two years.

Them you have this origin movie that was just announced a few months ago and that’s already scheduled to come out next year. My guess is it will probably cost half of what another Kelvin movie would be. But yeah who knows if that will get made either, but it has a better chance than a Kelvin movie.

Ikr, Beyond totally killed interest the series , the Fast Furious teaser trailer was bad, the second trailer gave away the twist, the audience (who cared about that stuff) knew JJ had crossed over to SW (which gave the behemoth of SW7 even more publicity, making ST feel less an event), there was no hook for fans or even general moviegoers like there was for ST09/ID (like if Shatner had returned or the Borg being the villain again) and nothing ‘big’ happening in the canon like the previous ones (Orcis ST3 had the timeline under threat of being wiped out, which would’ve been a huge deal) the eventual movie was kind of meh as you say and was just abit nerdy and Insurrection looking (like it was for hard core fans only).

At the time i had some friends (some who were casual Trek fans, and some even disliked Trek) who thought 09/ID were awesome and they didn’t even bother to see Beyond bc of the trailers and the general vibe (its like it felt like abit of a turkey, like other big sequels/remakes that summer, Ghostbusters, Independence Day 2 etc, )

I actually agree with all of this and I personally think Beyond was the best of the three.

But you’re right, there was really no hook for the movie and that first trailer was just awful. It almost kept me away from watching it.

But the biggest problem is the new fans just lost interest by then. I always bring up the fact I had three friends who had never seen Star Trek before went to go see the first film and generally loved it. I thought it was truly bad but fine for a brainless action movie.

But by the time Beyond showed up all three had zero interest in the franchise by that point. They just stopped caring. I remember asking one of them that saw the first two movies in the theater if he planned to watch Beyond and his response was no because now Star Wars was back and he rather just watch that. And he thought it looked boring.

That’s the entire problem trying to get new fans onboard and a lot of them were like my friends who just saw these movies as another summer action movie but nothing beyond that. They never cared about the franchise itself and so it was very easy to move on when the next shiny toy showed up.

That’s exactly why I don’t see another one doing all that well because to newbies it’s still Star Trek and it’s not cool enough to fully get into and will probably bomb again unless the budget is just super low.

I watched Guardians Vol 3 the other night on dvd and it (and previous 2) kind of felt the same as Beyond abit , the look, the vibe, the action, set pieces, the humour, the rock songs etc . so really with Guardians (that Beyond tried to ape), along with the return of SW, Trek 3 had no chance with casual movie goers who would just consider it Guardians/SW lite , (between the generational event of SW7 and the next GOTG vol 2) .. Even more reason to have gone with Orci’s more ‘star trek’ version of ST3 featuring Shatner

I can’t name anyone who actually wants an origin movie. By the way, didn’t we get that one with First Contact already anyway?

It’s not up to you or anyone you pretend to know.

Another prequel? This is getting ridiculous now. Remember when Star Trek used to go forwards? Enough already!

Kurtzman said he didn’t have the authority to greenlight legacy. I wonder if that will be like Bennet’s academy years and never happen.

18 months is not enough time for a movie of this size unless this is ready to shoot in july.

The JJ-verse is an aberration no one is particularly a fan of. There is no one who wants to how that mess started. It’s done nothing but foul everything that went before, leaving ST-ENT, of all things, as the only remaining official classic canon. Bugger that.

I need Star Trek that is hopeful, aspirational, and inspirational. 15 yrs later neither Bad Robot or Secret Hideout has done anything close to that. Sec 31 and Starfleet Academy aren’t anything viewers want. I wish they’d just stop.

lol,if you say so…

EXCLUSIVE: Former Anonymous writer of Trek 4 shares his experience

Interviewer: Hello, we are here today to talk to a former writer for the very very very (like really very) long delayed fourth Kelvin movie. With the announcement of a prequel movie being released instead and yet ANOTHER new set of writers for the next Kelvin movie, we reached out to the only person who returned our calls; a former writer from the 2023 project.

To give us an honest insight into his experience he wishes to remain anonymous. For the sake of this interview he will be simply referred to as ‘GotohellParamount’. Thank you for meeting with me today.”

GotohellParamount’: “You’re welcome.”

Interviewer: “It sounds like your experience working on the last movie didn’t end too well. How is your relationship with the studio today?”

GotohellParamount: “Bleep them in their bleeping bleepholes. I hope they all die from bleeping Ebola.”

Interviewer: ‘That’s some pretty colorful metaphors. Can I ask what happened?”

GotohellParamount: “Their bleeps that’s what. We spent a year working on that movie. We lost the director to go work for Marvel because these bleepholes kept bleeping us around. I got so frustrated I finally texted the Head Studio Guy and said ‘will you people stop bleeping around!? Get off your bleeps and let’s make a movie already!!’

Three weeks went by and I finally got a response from them. It simply read ‘K’. Bleepholes!!! By the way you’re not going to ‘bleep’ any of these words out are you?”

Interviewer: “Um…of course not. Can you tell us a little about what the movie was about?”

GotohellParamount: “The gist was a huge black ship comes from the 25th century to the 23rd century wiping out solar systems in the Federation. It was a new villain who wanted…wait for it…vengeance. That bleep was going to be bleeping awesome!!”

Interviewer: “So who was going to be the villain?”

GotohellParamount: “That’s the greatest part of it all. He was going to call himself…you ready: Kaos. JJ Abrams himself came up with that name. But then the true reveal was that he was indeed Kirk’s great great great great great great great great great great grandson from the future and came to stop Kirk from destroying his planet so he had to destroy the Federation first. We were even thinking Chris Pine can play both parts but Paramount was worried he would demand twice the salary.”

Interviewer: “I interviewed Chris Pine a few months ago and he was hoping there would be more scenes of him riding another motorcycle. Did you include that in the script?”

GotohellParamount: “Do you remember the ending of Mission Impossible 2 with the motorcycle duel? Pretty much the same ending with our movie with Kirk versus his evil grandson; except it was going to take place either on Romulus or in San Francisco. We were still figuring it out. There was even talk of it happening on a lava planet… but that would’ve ballooned the budget.

Interviewer: “Sounds very exciting. How was he going to wipe out the solar systems?”

GotohellParamount: “The ship he was on had the power to destroy stars by breaking down their fusion reactions. The FX was going to be bleeping sick.”

Interviewer: “Wait so the ship was a…Star destroyer?”

GotohellParamount: “Yep but to get around copyright issues JJ wanted to call it a Destroyer of Stars. The man is a bleeping genius I tell you.”

Interviewer: “It’s definitely a name.”

GotohellParamount: “We were so proud of the script. We gave it to JJ to read it. After he put it down, he took off his glasses put his hand on my shoulders and said ‘this is the most original Star Trek story I’ve ever read and I’ve read three of them.’ You have no idea how much that meant coming from such a visionary like him.”

Interviewer: “I’m sure you were. Was there any casting possibilities before it was shut down?”

GotohellParamount: “Was there?? We reached out to some incredible actors! Robert Downey Jr, Florence Pugh, Emily Blunt, Cillian Murphy and Matt Damon. We wanted him to actually play Kirk’s evil grandson.

Interviewer: “Wait… weren’t all of them in Oppenheimer?’

GotohellParamount: “(Hard shrug)! I don’t know I haven’t seen it yet. Unfortunately Matt Damon’s agent was the only one who bothered to call us back. Apparently he always wanted to work with John Cho. Go figure? Too late now unfortunately.”

Interviewer: “Well that’s all the time we have. Thank you for your incredible and honest insight. Any thoughts on the new movie announcement or the chances either one will actually get made?”

GotohellParamount: (Laughs for three minutes). That’s it.”

Interviewer: “Thank you.’

I laugh every.single.time! 😂

Well done per usual.

Nice. Don’t forget to throw the Beastie Boys in there someplace…wouldn’t be a Kelvin film without them…

Haha correct. How I let that one slide you got me. Having an off day I guess!

This was indeed hilarious! 😂

I love how you parody JJ Abrams. He doesn’t seem to have an original bone in his body looking at both his Star Trek and Star Wars movies.

Lol nope! I still remember watching Honest Trailer for Star Trek Into Dumbness and they even showed how much that movie copied the first one lol.

The fact both movies ended back at San Francisco when your series takes place in the freaking galaxy should tell you everything wrong with these movies.

that actually sounds like a legit potential Kelvin ST4 – Kirks evil great great grandson Kaos (Matt Damon) comes back to 23rd century to kill Kirk in his big star destroyer (sorry ‘destroyer of stars’) ship! Brilliant!!

That’s the insane part, this idea could actually pass for a Kelvin movie lol.

Thank you! 😁

Coming out of my lurker mode to say this is brilliant. I laughed my bleep off!

So glad you enjoyed it my friend! 😄

I bleeping love making them lol.

Another prequel? Why can’t they come up with new material?