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Ever since the original Star Trek hit the small screen in the late 60s, many memorable starships have appeared over the course of the long-running franchise. From the mold-breaking USS Defiant , all the way to the heavily armed USS Titan, there have been a wide variety of spacecraft shown onscreen.

Among the ships that fans know and love, perhaps none os more iconic than the USS Enterprise. The classic ship's many iterations have featured in many movies and TV shows. While this ship may take the limelight most of the time, there is another that stole the heart of audiences: The USS Voyager, lost in the Delta Quadrant under the command of Captain Kathryn Janeway. Of these two ships, which is more advanced?

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The USS Voyager featured throughout the aptly named Voyager series, which began airing shortly after the finale of The Next Generation. Many fans feel the show lacked substance , especially compared to the much darker Deep Space 9 , which aired at the same time. Still, there seems to be nothing bad said about the starship Voyager itself. It was a wonderfully designed, slick-looking vessel, a far cry from the slightly misproportioned Enteprise-D of TNG . The ship saw the crew though many battles, and it helped them (barely) return home to the Alpha quadrant, securing it in the Starfleet hall of fame.

The biggest difference between Voyager and the Enterprise-D was that they belonged to different classes. Picard’s ship was a Galaxy class vessel, a gigantic beast of ridiculous proportions that was more akin to a flying city than a ship. It had a lot more in common to a cruise ship than a Starfleet military vessel. It was outfitted with all the latest mod cons for crew and civilian comport, including a holodeck , concert halls, and ample space for families.

Voyager, however, was an Intrepid class, giving it a different purpose. It was designed to be much smaller, cutting out many of the comforts found on the Enterprise-D. Instead, it focused on scientific discovery and research. Voyager's small size also allowed for an increased maximum speed, and made it better at maneuvering and escaping desperate situations when the time came. This gave it a massive advantage in battle. Voyager's acceleration was faster as well, ensuring they were able to get away from anyone chasing them.

The question of which ship is more advanced, then, is a problematic one. Voyager has more scientifically advanced technological marvels on board, pioneering some of the Federations newest gadgets and gizmos. However, it wasn’t Starfleet's flagship like the Enterprise-D was. Although several years had passed, the Enterprise was still one of the best ships in their fleet, as it was able to do everything. The weaponry aboard Voyager was nothing to be shunned, but was inferior to that of the flagship. The Enterprise-D was a tank, able to win against most foes. Voyager's struggles with the Kazon during the first season is a prime example. These battles posed significant threat to Janeway and her crew, but would have been easy for Picard and his armada of weapons.

Winning a fight, however, is not the only thing that makes a ship more advanced or better. Although the Enterprise-D could blow most enemies out of the water, mostly due to their sheer mass, they were not the best when it came to survival or endurance. They had great shields, but time and again they needed repairs and updates to stay on top. Voyager, for obvious reasons, was not able to do this. Yet, it fared well despite the circumstances.

The crew of Voyager was able to repair the ship when necessary, and maintain long distance travel. The ship is efficient, where the Enterprise had a lot of unnecessary extras. While the crew could (and often did) cut power the taxing subroutines and luxuries when power rationing was required, it still took considerable energy just to move the enormous vessel, lugging along dead weight. On the other hand, Voyager was far more compact. It carried the necessities for space exploration and scientific discovery, unburdened by the Enterprise's extra features.

The answer, as is often the case within the Star Trek universe, is contextual. Voyager was more advanced in terms of scientific discovery and research, as this was what it was designed to do. Everything about the ship supported its purpose. Meanwhile, the Enterprise-D was made to be a jack of all trades. It was able to do everything well, but perhaps not as expertly as those designed to do specifics. Voyager takes the crown for scientific advancement over the Enterprise, much like the USS Titan takes the militaristic lead for firepower. But overall, the Enterprise could still outrank them both.

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Designing the Starship Voyager

Development of the fourth Star Trek series started in the middle of 1993, during the last season of The Next Generation and the second season of Deep Space Nine . Executive Producer Jeri Taylor decided as early as August that the new ship should be sleeker and smaller than the Enterprise -D.

Rick Sternbach, who was then working as an illustrator and tech consultant on The Next Generation , was brought on board the following month. He wasted no time getting the design process started.

It was the first lead ship Sternbach designed. He had been responsible for various alien ships and shuttlecraft on The Next Generation , including the runabout, but his predecessor, Andrew Probert, had created the Enterprise -D.

Sternbach’s early sketches of Voyager show a streamlined vessel with a dart-like primary hull and a flattened, elongated engineering section, sporting swept-back runabout-like warp pylons.

Pieces were added and subtracted and hull contours, both gently curved and angular, were explored in perspective over the course of weeks and months. Hull cross sections were drawn in blue pencil to check internal deck heights, total number of decks and overall ship length. Sternbach prepared comparisons with familiar Starfleet vessels to help the producers decide.

They added to his challenge by deciding Voyager should be able to land on a planetary surface. That meant the ship needed deployable landing gear.

By the spring of 1994, something resembling the Voyager we know had emerged. The slightly angular dart front had been smoothed off and nestled into the engineering section — still assuming a separation capability — and sweeping pylons ended in a set of long nacelles. The nacelles had doors to open up the warp coils for some kind of new energy jump. Impulse thrusters were buried underneath, similar to the runabout, and a large triangular wedge sat atop the ship, possibly acting as a scout craft or long-range sensor array.

Notable details included a large forward sensor cutout and a stepped engineering hull that supported a ring of large cargo bays and impulse engines. The former would stay, the latter was eliminated.

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This was a fast-looking ship, with a hint of solid engine hardware showing on the outside.

When the producers signed off, Sternbach proceeded to the initial blueprint and study-model stages. He scaled up a top plan view of the ship to a length of 48 inches, the presumed size of the motion-control model. From this, he derived bottom, side, fore and aft views. The side elevation and resulting cutaway suggested that the ship would be about 1,000 feet long, the same size as Kirk’s Enterprise .

Following the Starfleet tradition, Sternbach reserved space for the bridge on Deck 1 and a variety of placeholder windows on the hull, which would be built into standing sets.

Windows are an important design factor, because of the coordination needed between the studio and outside model makers for continuity between the exterior and interior of the ship. Since Voyager would be smaller than the Enterprise -D, the windows would be proportionately larger and more visible on the television screen. That made it even more important that they matched the sets.

Just as Sternbach was about to produce a final set of blueprints for the model makers (he had even produced a small mock-up model himself), Taylor came back and asked if he could not make Voyager a little curvier after all.

Saucer separation was no longer necessary. This allowed Sternbach to integrate the primary and secondary hulls more smoothly.

Sternbach continued to play with the nacelle placement. Should they be on pylons, like on the Enterprise -D? Or downturned, like a runabout? Early in July, the final nacelle movements were completed with the 45-degree wing-up angle being approved by the producers.

Building the miniature

Sternbach drew up five orthographic projections of the final version: top, bottom, starboard, forward and aft elevations. These went to the model builders in August: Tony Meininger’s Brazil Fabrication. They also received detailed sketches from Sternbach as to intended function, color or whether a lighting effect was required.

Two months later, Meininger delivered the model to Image G for shooting, although some modifications and detailing continued until December.

Voyager came on the air at a time when huge advancements were being made in computer-generated imagery (CGI). Over the course of the first few seasons, models were phased out and digitally-created starships entered service. By Season 4, in 1997, Meininger’s studio model had become obsolete. It was sold off at auction in 2006 to an Englishman for $110,000.

Stock footage of the model continued to be used. You can tell the two versions apart from the windows underneath the shuttlebay. The windows are lighted in the CGI model. There was no room to install electrical wiring in the physical miniature, who whenever those windows are dark, you know you’re looking at the real thing.

Thank you for this cool online resource! The Eaglemoss Designing Starships volumes 1 and 2 have 50-75 percent of the drawings featured on the site, when the topics align, but it’s that last 25-50 percent that’s really special. Seeing rough versions, or extra angles, or so forth, is very rewarding for me. I understand that there’s only so much space in a paper book, but that’s what makes the digital delivery medium interesting! Plus, you have lots of concept art for sets, while the hardback collections I have focus almost entirely on the ship models. Any set details are incidental, when they were referenced in the ship blueprints (like some of the deck detailing on the Voyager cutaways here).

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This Video Calculates How Huge STAR TREK’s Enterprise-D Is

It’s difficult to develop a sense of scale for sci-fi shows that take place in space. In Star Trek , for example, it’s frequently unclear how large a given starship is. YouTuber EC Henry , however, has done the proverbial math, and figured out how large the Enterprise-D from The Next Generation is. And, as the YouTuber points out, the starship is indeed “freakishly” huge.

EC Henry posted the video to YouTube, noting that even though everyone knows the Enterprise-D is big, it is, in fact, massive . And while that is, of course, a subjective assessment, relatively speaking it has to be true. In the video, EC says he used the enormous amounts of available data on the fictional ship to make his estimates. In fact, the nerdy artist (our description), used “comprehensive” blueprints of all 42 decks of the Enterprise-D. Which, while not canonical, still apparently provide realistic measurements.

In regards to the cold, hard figures, EC says the Enterprise-D contains 8.9 million square feet of habitable space. Within that, he determined somewhere between 340,000 ft 2 and 1.3 million ft 2 allocated to living quarters. This major discrepancy in estimation is due to the varying estimates of how many crew members are on board, as well as how many civilians are. Unfortunately, Enterprise never gives even an approximate sense of how many of the latter are present.

For reference, EC estimates that a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier (over 1,000 feet long) has no more than 904,000 ft 2 of total space. Only a small fraction of that belongs to its crew. Which means the total habitable space aboard the Enterprise-D is roughly equivalent to that of ten complete aircraft carriers. At least.

Despite the enormous amount of habitable space, however, EC points out that everyone aboard the Enterprise-D, including both crew and civilians, spend the vast majority of their time on only four decks (7-10). It’s on these decks where most of the crew quarters and civilian activities are located. Otherwise, it seems the Enterprise-D is—intentionally—kind of a ghost town. As well as a fantastic place for scheming antagonists to hide.

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USS Voyager vs USS Enterprise-D

• Thread starter Sovereign001
• Start date Jun 2, 2005

What ship is the strongest and the fastest?

Uss voyager, uss enterprise-d.

• Total voters 47
• Poll closed Jul 2, 2005 .

Sovereign001

From chaos comes order.

• Jun 2, 2005

Allright 2federation ships vs each other! Rick sternbach, the maker of voyager told that voyager was stronger and faster than the ent-d! Some people dont agree. What do you think of it?  

Valar Morghulis

Sovereign001 said: Allright 2federation ships vs each other! Rick sternbach, the maker of voyager told that voyager was stronger and faster than the ent-d! Some people dont agree. What do you think of it? Click to expand... Click to shrink...

If both ships have their crews as per the shows/movies, I'd give this one to the Enterprise. If we are talking purely technical specs, then I think Voyager has the edge.  

Voyager is obviously more advanced in the area of technology - but they don't have the raw power of a GCS. Depending on what time period you choose for both ships, Voyager might have higher yield torpedos, but the Enterprise can fire more torpedos simultaneously. Voyager is also far more manouverable than the Enterprise, and has a faster maximum warp. In an all out fight, however, the Enterprise would crush Voyager pretty easily.  

Unless Voyager has it's anti Borg weapons and defenses, the Big E will rape that SOB.  

Master Of Hammer Space

Without that armor and transphasic torps, ENT D wins  

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The Enterprise-D takes this fight! The Tech difference between Enterprise and Voyager would not be enough to save Voyager. Sure Voyager may be faster, more maneuverable has better computers, and maybe torpedo's, but a Galaxy has type 10 phasers covering every section of the ship, can launch torpedos faster and can take more damage than Voyager can. Just for kicks the Enterprise can seperate the saucer section giving voyager 2 targets to worry about instead of one. Either way, even if you factor in Character Shields Voyager is seriously fucked!  

hyperion51 said: Unless Voyager has it's anti Borg weapons and defenses, the Big E will rape that SOB. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

High Admiral

I'd say the Ent-D is the strongest, but Voyager the fastest.  

sovereign002

sovereign002 said: Not this again we had this before, im getting fett up by this. But if we have to we will do it again: voyager wins because it is newer than the galaxy class, size doesnt matter its shields and weapons and manouvrability and offcourse technology. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Voyager is newer so its technology is better and more advanced than a galaxy, its hull armor is improved and its weapons are also improved to fight against the borg. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

And if you are not convinced yet, look at dominion wars: there are hundreds of ships fighting against the domion fleet and what ship survives? It isnt a galaxy, its an intrepid class, however there are a lot of galaxys in the battle then there are intrepids and yet they are all destroyed. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Everyone who reads this and believes that voyager is scout less strong than enterprise-d and believes that voyager has phaser VIII well think again because I have the site of the creator who designed voyager http://www.starshipdatalink.net/art/voyager.html read it and you will see everything at the end of the text you will read that voyager has the same weapons as enterprise -d more info of voyager Quote: This ship concept, created in basic form by the combined structures groups from Earth Station McKinley and the Utopia Planitia Yards, would need to maintain a low-cruise warp factor of 7.75 for 16 days, a high-cruise warp of 9.25 for 2.25 days, and a dash-cruise speed of warp 9.975 for 12.65 hours. It would support a crew of 223, would have swappable interior pressurized modules, and would mount defensive weaponry at least equal to the Galaxy-class phasers and photon torpedoes. A wide variety of primary mission types for the new ship - from threat-force point interception and large battle group support to covert intelligence gathering - was pared down to space defensive combat to protect Starfleet and Federation assets, and continued scientific exploration during patrol intervals (C. Forrester, ASDB Journal 05Nov2361). people go the site http://www.starshipdatalink.net select voyager then go to the end of the page and take intrepid class lineage more information really everything proves that the ship is more powerfull and thats it so scout ship is bye bye Know some details about voyager from andrea bormanis and sternbach: Among the ship types outlined in preliminary Starfleet requirement briefs was a fast, powerful, 'troubleshooter' vessel, initially listed as Planform SV-65. This ship concept, created in basic form by the combined structures groups from Earth Station McKinley and the Utopia Planitia Yards, would need to maintain a low-cruise warp factor of 7.75 for 16 days, a high-cruise warp of 9.25 for 2.25 days, and a dash-cruise speed of warp 9.975 for 12.65 hours. It would support a crew of 223, would have swappable interior pressurized modules, and would mount defensive weaponry at least equal to the Galaxy-class phasers and photon torpedoes. A wide variety of primary mission types for the new ship - from threat-force point interception and large battle group support to covert intelligence gathering - was pared down to space defensive combat to protect Starfleet and Federation assets, and continued scientific exploration during patrol intervals (C. Forrester, ASDB Journal 05Nov2361). Dan curry sayed also thiings: Voyager was the first ship to feature an auxiliary deflector dish on the forward hull, later incorporated in Sternbach's design of the Nova-class. There's also a large bank of sensor instruments that provides data on phenomena. At the sides of the auxiliary deflector are transport emitters, large, flat antennae, that are also positioned in other locations that are responsible for sending and receiving the transporters' focused matter streams. The phaser arrays come directly from the Type 10 phasers designed for the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D - large, multi-emitter strips strategically placed on the hull for maximum coverage. Warning graphics and systems notices surround the phasers and placed around the escape pod hatches and various other access panels. Groupings of half-round tubes generally follow the defensive shield grid are part of the structural integrity field system [SIF], which keep the ship rigidized during high impulse and warp flight or an attack from an alien starship. This is evidence of the entire star trek voyager crew!!!!If you find this is wrong you are absolutely not a trekker of star trek voyager or better said of star trek!!!then im not a star trek freak with more then 550 episodes that are  

Yamarus said: We are not talking about the Enterprise-E here. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

People i meant the enterprise-D the old galaxy but read what i posted! Voyager was meant to be stronger than the ent-d but she was only outfitted for 3 weeks and thats why she has less torpedoes and she has normally more personnel but i have mentioned only 3 weeks! And in DS9 we have admiral Ross with an intrepid who is carrying very high people to Romulus!!! People we are in the middle of the dom.war.If a galaxy is stronger why wouldnt he take one? Andre bormanis and rick, dan curry told that on the voyager box2 of special features that voyager is a new ship that is supposed to be a much more stronger ship something like the defiant but a little less!  

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Sovereign001 said: And in DS9 we have admiral Ross with an intrepid who is carrying very high people to Romulus!!! People we are in the middle of the dom.war.If a galaxy is stronger why wouldnt he take one? Andre bormanis and rick, dan curry told that on the voyager box2 of special features that voyager is a new ship that is supposed to be a much more stronger ship something like the defiant but a little less! Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Teal_Thanatos

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I'm voting for Voyager here. Can anyone honestly say that the only enhancements that voyagers had are the borg ones? over time Voyagers become a literal treasure trove of new and unique technology. Voyager is newer, more efficient and by the end of the series can literally smear an enterprise on its borg enhanced hull. But even before that, the voyager had fought Borg Cubes, Species 8791 or whatever they're called and a multitude of people. its crew are experienced and willing to lay the smack down quickly, even against their own people. something the crew of the Ent-D won't be doing.  

8472 That's the name  

let me see, hmmm....Stock Voyager a ship with a mass of a few hundred thousand tons with 150 crew mostly vs. Stock E-D a ship of low million ton mass and with a crew of 1,000 plus. The E-D complete and utterly destory the light cruiser. come on E-D is only a few years old max, by the time Voyager was launch, the E-D was probabiliy getting it ass attack in horrible battle in ST: Generation. Their is a reason why real world warship built with large mass and weight can surive in battle and smaller warship either get destory in a single hit where ship that double it's weight can stay afloat and fight on.  

Sovereign001 said: People i meant the enterprise-D the old galaxy but read what i posted! Voyager was meant to be stronger than the ent-d but she was only outfitted for 3 weeks and thats why she has less torpedoes and she has normally more personnel but i have mentioned only 3 weeks! And in DS9 we have admiral Ross with an intrepid who is carrying very high people to Romulus!!! People we are in the middle of the dom.war.If a galaxy is stronger why wouldnt he take one? Andre bormanis and rick, dan curry told that on the voyager box2 of special features that voyager is a new ship that is supposed to be a much more stronger ship something like the defiant but a little less! Click to expand... Click to shrink...

let go in this way then: TNG GCS=TNG Warbird TNG Wardbird>>>>>>>>>>Voyager although their were two warbird in the training battle, voyager was unable to destory even one. were the E-D can destory one and badly damage the other before retreating in a badly damage state or explode in a hugh ball of light.  

Teal_Thanatos said: But even before that, the voyager had fought Borg Cubes, Species 8791 or whatever they're called and a multitude of people. its crew are experienced and willing to lay the smack down quickly, even against their own people. something the crew of the Ent-D won't be doing. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

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The Intrepid may have the same weapons, but the GCS has more of them, likly a good bit more raw power to draw upon, likly stronger sheilds, and the ability to soak up more damage by virtue of it's much greater size. Voyager may be, pound for pound, a more potent combatant, but the Enterprise is a much larger ship. Assuming, of course, a stock-Intrepid Voyager.  

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While fans love the cast and characters, the real star of Star Trek films are its ships, especially the ones named "Enterprise." Despite maintaining its signature silhouette for nearly 60 years, the details have often changed over time. However, the best hero ship upgrade in Star Trek history was the USS Enterprise-D used in The Next Generation series. It was the most drastic change in design, but it remained immediately identifiable.

Starfleet ships have changed quite a bit over the years, though most adhere to the structural rules defined by the original Enterprise. Ships have a saucer section, a secondary hull and two warp nacelles on either side. Some designs, like the Enterprise-A or the "original" Enterprise used in Strange New Worlds, don't veer too far from the original. Other ships like those in Star Trek: Discovery or Voyager are quite different. Yet, even they still retain the basic ship structure. Smaller vessels, like Lower Decks ' USS Cerritos , will abandon the secondary hull but retain the saucer and nacelles. However, The Next Generation 's Enterprise-D was the most drastic evolution of the design. The "pieces" are all there, but it still looks new and revolutionary. It's a style future Star Trek ships should return to.

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Andrew Probert Designed the USS Enterprise-D for His Own Amusement

The original Enterprise was designed by Walter Matthew Jefferies for Star Trek: The Original Series . In honor of this legendary art director, the maintenance corridors on Starfleet ships are called "Jefferies Tubes" in his honor . While he was involved, briefly, with the mid-1970s resurgence of Gene Roddenberry's saga, he soon retired. Andrew Probert took over and was tasked with redesigning the Enterprise for The Motion Picture . The ship stayed remarkably faithful to Jefferies's design, with squared-off nacelles, a new torpedo bay and a glowing blue deflector dish. However, some things about the design bugged him. Specifically, he thought the nacelles should be closer to the center of mass and that the ship should have an organic shape. No one asked him to do this, but he drew up some designs anyway.

Probert heard about The Next Generation through the press and reached out to Roddenberry to join the design team. They hadn't worked together since the film, and he was hired to design the bridge. Writer and producer David Gerrold, who also worked on Star Trek: The Original Series and The Animated Series , saw the "organic" design Probert couldn't help himself from doing on his wall. Without even telling Probert, he took the image to Roddenberry's office, where he approved it for the new ship, according to The Center Seat: 55 Years of Star Trek . Gerrold saw what all Star Trek fans did. Probert had brilliantly evolved the design by about a century or so while keeping that distinctive Jefferies-inspired silhouette.

The ship didn't look like the original Enterprise , but it also looked like what the ship could become with the continued evolution of technology. Despite its immense size, people can imagine the original ship being constructed. The 2009 Star Trek movie actually showed the construction multiple times. Yet, the Enterprise-D looks like it was poured into a mold. It looks massive, even with only the void of space to compare it to. It was, in all ways, a completely different ship inside and out. Yet, not even the most intransigent Star Trek fans recognize that ship was every bit the Enterprise the originals were.

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Modern Star Trek Designs Struggled to Maintain Probert's Organic Designs

The Enterprise-D was unique and a drastic shift from other starships in the franchise. Because filming models are expensive, the Enterprise was usually paired with an Excelsior class ship. This was the first "next generation" of starship design. During TNG 's era, these ships were antique. Deep Space Nine 's USS Defiant was meant to be a radical departure and a much smaller ship. The USS Voyager kept the Enterprise-D's organic shape, but Rick Sternbach and Richard D. James flattened the ship out. It was also much smaller than the Enterprise and needed to be immediately distinctive. However, it looks every bit like a Star Trek hero ship. The next big redesign for the Enterprise came with Star Trek: First Contact .

John Eaves designed the USS Enterprise-E. It was a much longer vessel, specifically the nacelles, which were heightened to be even with the saucer. The Enterprise-D was also designed to be fully viewable on smaller TV screens. Now that The Next Generation was on the big screen , Eaves was able to stretch the ship out, so it again filled the frame, according to a First Contact DVD featurette. The saucer and engineering hull are even more organically shaped, but this is because Eaves did away with the signature "neck" separating the two. The E and the USS Enterprise-F, designed for the game Star Trek Online , continued the trend Voyager started by flattening out the ship's profile.

Picard Season 3 brought the Enterprise-D back from the dead. However, the other hero ship in the series, the eventual Enterprise-G, drew on Probert's older design vocabulary . Starfleet's hero ships, like the USS Discovery, all remain faithful to Matt Jefferies original ship skeleton. Yet only Andrew Probert's Enterprise-D was able to upgrade it in a way that truly felt like drastic evolution. Yet, if Picard can introduce the Neo-Constitution Class ship, can a Neo-Galaxy Class update be far behind?

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Is the USS Vengeance more powerful than the Enterprise E?

• Thread starter The Rock
• Start date Sep 17, 2013

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• Sep 17, 2013

I'd like to think the E would kick it's ass personally, it's 100 years more advanced  

The Wormhole

Fleet admiral.

Starships really are ridiculously oversized in the Abramsverse. Oh, and I'll say the Enterprise E, just because I like that ship best. But in a realistic scenario where fan bias isn't a factor it would depend on which one is commanded by Batman and if he had time to prepare.  

The Enterprise E should be the far superior ship, but conceptually and on screen it is very dated with its standard sweeping phaser and torpedo combination. It has quantum torpedoes which deploys and tracks like standard photon torpedoes do, but does + 25 damage!! Whoopy @#*d*# do!! For a ship that is 100+ years ahead of TOS era know how, it doesn't really demonstrate much of an advancement. You have to read up canon specifications from literature to even know it posesses something better like it having "type 12" phasers over the old "type 6" found in the TOS era. On screen the Vengeance conceptually looks like a very advanced ship, almost breaking away from what we normally see from Federation ships, even those in the 24th century.  

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How did the impact of such a large object not cause an unimaginable tsunami?  

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Bad thoughts said: How did the impact of such a large object not cause an unimaginable tsunami? Click to expand...

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Just because an oil tanker is bigger than a destroyer doesn't mean it's going to beat it. In naval history the trend is for ships to get smaller, not larger. The "battleship" is pretty much an obsolete concept now. The same concept would apply even more so to space with computer automation and smaller crew compliments. But "big" ships look better on screen so... hence the JJverse.  

Any attempt to attack would be considered "charming." Click to expand...

Vengeances gatling phasers ripped the Enterprise to shreds with her shields up. Given all the technical advances of this new universe and the stronger hulls, advanced shielding, Vengeance took bites out of her like it wasn't there. The Enterprise E was badly damaged and losing her battle with the Scimitar, a ship built by human/bat hybrid slaves with the same technological level, simple more shields and hull plating. Even scoring direct hits, she depleted her weapons almost entirely and couldn't dent the Scimitar. Put her up against something with transwarp, phaser cannons of that level of power, given that she's smaller and a hell of a lot thinner (more fragile likely) than the Nu Enterprise and Vengeance would rip her apart in minutes.  

See, I don't buy that the Narada changed everything regarding ship design. Just look at the Kelvin. It was bigger than the original NCC-1701 20 plus years earlier. The JJverse was an alternate timeline long before Nero flew into it.  

R. Star said: See, I don't buy that the Narada changed everything regarding ship design. Just look at the Kelvin. It was bigger than the original NCC-1701 20 plus years earlier. The JJverse was an alternate timeline long before Nero flew into it. Click to expand...

Austin 3:16 said: R. Star said: See, I don't buy that the Narada changed everything regarding ship design. Just look at the Kelvin. It was bigger than the original NCC-1701 20 plus years earlier. The JJverse was an alternate timeline long before Nero flew into it. Click to expand...

F. King Daniel

Stafleet largely went with an anorexic or deformed appearance for a lot of it's ships, cramming things in in odd ways, in fairly small ships. The Galaxy class sacuer and the scale of the ship in general broke away from that a bit, but with a seriously tiny butt. The new universe doesn't seem to skimp on size and how much it packs into each, far larger ships, larger crews, all the mechanical facilties they need and a small floatilla of support craft.  

Morpheus 02

• Sep 18, 2013

Well, it's the Abramsverse, so I'm guessing the Vengeance is more powerful than the Enterprise-E and the Enterprise-D duct-taped together. It's like they looked at some of those fanboy uberships online and said, "Eh, we can top that..."  

Considering that we have no way of knowing how to compare the phaser and warp technologies of the Abramsverse and the Prime Timeline, I don't think there's any reasonable way to answer the question of whether the U.S.S. Vengeance could defeat the Enterprise -E.  

Asbo Zaprudder

I suspect the ships in the Abramsverse have more cowbell... and daddy issues... and lens flare.  

The Vengeance would definitely win in a cargo bay fight. Even if you stacked stuff up in the Enterprise-E's bottomless pit on deck 29 you'd never come close.  

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