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By ga_pike September 1, 2022 in Golf Balls/Shafts/Grips

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On the horizontal line, as a shaft moves closer to "fade" is this designating the shaft will produce more fade or more fade correction?  

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The fade side of that graph indicates a shaft with a stiffer tip that will prevent the club from turning over and encourage more of a fade.  The draw side of the chart has shafts with softer tips that will deflect more and would be more likely to help the club face close quicker and produce more of a draw shape.  That's also why you see most of the draw side as higher launch and the fade side as lower launch.  Hope that helps.

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Thanks.  Just confirms what I was already thinking.  Appreciate the response. 

• 3 months later...

Almost 4 months later but this diagram is awesome for picking a shaft from Graphite Design! Is there any way to pin this?  @GolfSpy_APH

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3 hours ago, TylorJudd said: Almost 4 months later but this diagram is awesome for picking a shaft from Graphite Design! Is there any way to pin this?  @GolfSpy_APH

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One comment on the Graphite Design Shafts, make sure you try out different weights and flexes.  I have a bunch of these shafts and I started using the TP 50S and liked it a lot, but when I was testing them for my fairways, I had them in 60g versions and started playing with them in the driver and reducing the driver head weight a touch.

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• 1 month later...

Just got the Tour AD DI 7x.  Got it in the Callaway Rogue ST Max LS.  Never hit the shaft before but Callaway preowned was having a sale and got the driver and shaft for too good of a price to pass up so took a chance.   

Only hit a few times on the sim but like it so far. Shaft has a different feel tha anything I’ve hit before!

They have this buttery feeling, very smooth. I have the Tour AD-G 60g S, at 45.5"

On 12/23/2022 at 7:00 AM, ajlacombe said: One comment on the Graphite Design Shafts, make sure your try out different weights and flexes.  I have a bunch of these shafts and I started using the TP 50S and liked it a lot, but when I was testing them for my fairways, I had them in 60g versions and started playing with them in the driver and reducing the driver headweight a touch. To shorten the story, I ended up moving the SR shaft, which is Stiff-Regular at 44.5", and it was an amazing move for me.  So 50S to 60SR. The fairways ended up with their fairway shaft at 65SR. You can look at that chart and say that the IZ, DI and TP are pretty much the same, and they are not. Whether or not you can discern the differences is another story.  My driver shaft is the DI.

May I ask what your ss and tempo are? thanks....goldie

8 hours ago, goldie said: May I ask what your ss and tempo are? thanks....goldie

Tough question, because swinging indoors vs outdoors yields different swing speeds especially with a driver.  About 100mph with driver and tempo is smoothish - the faster I swing the more agressive the transition becomes, but I am still on the smoother side of tempo.

Moved from ventus black into addi. So much happier. Combo the addi with the tsr4 and I’m getting an awesome piercing trajectory and I don’t feel like I have to swing so hard. Their is a more pronounced kick, mid section but with the stiff tip I have some great control. Ventus black profile just didn’t match up with me.

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• 4 months later...

Just thought I would mention this….

After trying a few Graphite Design shafts over the Winter, I ended up being fitted for a Tour AD DI 6S stiff for my Driver and my FW.  It’s been great.  Love the feel and love the distance these smooth shafts provide.  

Until seeing the charts in this thread, I had never seen or heard of all of the different GD shaft options.  Some of the other shafts were pretty good too, but the smoothness and the feel of the AD and the numbers were just ideal. So this has been great.

I think I may even try getting a used shaft on my hybrid if I can get fitted for a Ping Hybrid.  Not sure when I can give it a try and have the budget to do that.  Right now my off the shelf stock Tensei AV Blue stiff on my old TS Hybrid is so money, I don’t want to change out of it.

8 hours ago, KC Golf said: Just thought I would mention this…. After trying a few Graphite Design shafts over the Winter, I ended up being fitted for a Tour AD 6S stiff for my Driver and my FW.  It’s been great.  Love the feel and love the distance these smooth shafts provide.   Until seeing the charts in this thread, I had never seen or heard of all of the different GD shaft options.  Some of the other shafts were pretty good too, but the smoothness and the feel of the AD and the numbers were just ideal. So this has been great. I think I may even try getting a used shaft on my hybrid if I can get fitted for a Ping Hybrid.  Not sure when I can give it a try and have the budget to do that.  Right now my off the shelf stock Tensei AV Blue stiff on my old TS Hybrid is so money, I don’t want to change out of it.  

The ad di is basically a blue design so the tensei av blue is going to be a very similar shaft design. What changes between all the manufactures blue design is the amount of stiffness in each section of the shaft but it’s not something that drastically different between them. So other than the hzrdus rdx blue which is counterbalanced you should be able to get along with any blue design 

• 2 weeks later...

On 9/1/2022 at 6:50 AM, ga_pike said: On the horizontal line, as a shaft moves closer to "fade" is this designating the shaft will produce more fade or more fade correction?     TIA    

This will encourage more of a fade. 

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1 hour ago, Hoyoymac said: Updated shaft chart for 2024  

Thank you for this!

• 4 weeks later...

Another chart from Japan.  Draw / Fade vs Low / High launch.  With Tiger using this with his TaylorMade QI-10, the VF orders will be off the charts!

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Would actually love to try the VF in whatever the lowest spinning head with lowest loft and see if I could get the thing off the ground!

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11 hours ago, KC Golf said: Another chart from Japan.  Draw / Fade vs Low / High launch.  With Tiger using this with his TaylorMade QI-10, the VF orders will be off the charts!

An English translation would be nice.

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37 minutes ago, funkyjudge said: An English translation would be nice.

Higher/Lower/Draw/Fade, just like the chart further up the page.

41 minutes ago, funkyjudge said: An English translation would be nice.

I hate charts like this in any language. As you know from doing fittings two different people swing the same shaft in the same head can see different ball flights. But I get it that the shaft manufacturers have to give some kind of reference for the design from a launch/spin perspective but the fade draw kills me

7 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I hate charts like this in any language. As you know from doing fittings two different people swing the same shaft in the same head can see different ball flights. But I get it that the shaft manufacturers have to give some kind of reference for the design from a launch/spin perspective but the fade draw kills me

+1 to that!

In the past year I’ve tried the Tour AD DI, IZ, VR, MT, TP and UB.  All purchased second hand off EBay.

The Tour AD DI 7S paired with a Cobra LTDx 15 degree 3 wood set at 16.5 is a match made in heaven for me.  Best I’ve ever had.  Dependable and great performance.  It has literally changed my game.

It is so good that it took me down the Graphite Design rabbit hole to try to achieve similar magic with my driver and my 7 wood.  

I’ve come close, but try as I might I haven’t been able to match the performance and consistency in any other club besides that one.

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I hate charts like this in any language. As you know from doing fittings two different people swing the same shaft in the same head can see different ball flights. But I get it that the shaft manufacturers have to give some kind of reference for the design from a launch/spin perspective but the fade draw kills me

+1 Manufacturers shouldn’t be allowed to say what “spin” a shaft will create because it’s not true. A shaft doesn’t spin the ball, the club head does. It has influences but are incredibly subjective to each golfer and that swing. 

1 minute ago, TylorJudd said: +1 Manufacturers shouldn’t be allowed to say what “spin” a shaft will create because it’s not true. A shaft doesn’t spin the ball, the club head does. It has influences but are incredibly subjective to each golfer and that swing. 

Exactly. It has influence on swing which has impact on delivery which is what will generate the launch characteristics for that particular golfer. And even with the same shaft spin and launch will change for every 1/8” change in where the ball contacts the face.

Ive seen guys with a low/low shaft in a low spin head still have too much spin because they were adding lift at impact and hitting low heel

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12 hours ago, Hoyoymac said: In the past year I’ve tried the Tour AD DI, IZ, VR, MT, TP and UB.  All purchased second hand off EBay. The Tour AD DI 7S paired with a Cobra LTDx 15 degree 3 wood set at 16.5 is a match made in heaven for me.  Best I’ve ever had.  Dependable and great performance.  It has literally changed my game. It is so good that it took me down the Graphite Design rabbit hole to try to achieve similar magic with my driver and my 7 wood.   I’ve come close, but try as I might I haven’t been able to match the performance and consistency in any other club besides that one.

I’m about to grab a DI 7x for my TSr3 5 wood on Friday. They feel nice, chances of having the same shafts on woods seems like a pipe dream though, I play a Ventus black velocore 7x on my stealth 2+ 3 wood yet I can hit both quite similarly. You could easily argue those 2 shafts shouldn’t produce anything close to each other. Have a HZRDUS black gen 4 in my paradym TD and it’s pure trash. Can hardly hit a good ball with it now. Played the AD-G prior and it was actually one of the better shafts I’ve played

8 hours ago, TylorJudd said: I’m about to grab a DI 7x for my TSr3 5 wood on Friday. They feel nice, chances of having the same shafts on woods seems like a pipe dream though, I play a Ventus black velocore 7x on my stealth 2+ 3 wood yet I can hit both quite similarly. You could easily argue those 2 shafts shouldn’t produce anything close to each other.

For most people two different shafts aren’t going to be that far off from each other. If the shaft doesn’t cause a significant change in the swing due to feel the results will be similar. This has been shown in shaft testing by Callaway and others on a robot. From a lightweight soft flex shaft up to long drive shafts at different speeds the launch and spin change very little between all the shafts. It’s the human factor and how we react that causes change in delivery and thus the launch characteristics

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My results with the Graphite Design Tour AD shafts did not match up exactly with the charts referenced previously in the thread.  But there was some correlation.

For me here is what I found.

Highest Flight - AD MT

                           AD IZ

                           AD DI

                           AD TP

                           AD UB

Lowest Flight -  AD VR

Most Draw - VR, Most Fade - DI

Best Feeling - DI & VR

Harshest feeling - UB

Playing the AD VR 6S currently in a Cobra LTDx LS 9 degree Driver set at -1.

Had been playing the DI 6S in driver and the TP 8S in an LTDx 1 degree 7 wood, but sold both shafts to a friend and they are working well for him. 

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Doesn't the shaft mfgr use robo hitting machine to isolate all othr variables?  I think it is good for GD to make this chart showing what their controlled tests do.  They engineer and make differnet shafts to achieve diff goals.  They know the bend profile of their models that they design.  I would think it make a good starting point, like the Ping Lie angle color codes.  A guide, not a handcuff.  The 4 section number chart that Miyazaki/XXIO etc. use tells me more than just S/R/A flex.

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