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Additionally, the just renewed for a fourth season Evil will be in the house with cast members Katja Herbers, Mike Colter, Aasif Mandvi, Christine Lahti and Kurt Fuller, and a sneak peek at an upcoming episode from the current third season. Teen Wolf fans will get a look at the upcoming flick based on the series too on July 21. Creator and showrunner Jeff Davis and Teen Wolf the Movie star Tyler Posey, Tyler Hoechlin will be in Hall H with some alleged surprise guests.

Rugrats, Beavis and Butt-head , the animated Transformers: EarthSpark and the ever-expanding SpongeBob SquarePants world from Nickelodeon will also be at the July 21 – July 24 confab too with panels and previews of their own.

Check out all the Trekverse and all the other Paramount+ panel info below:

Star Trek Universe Panel in Hall H. The fan-favorite Star Trek universe panel returns to San Diego Comic-Con , featuring exclusive back-to-back conversations with the casts and executive producers from STAR TREK: PICARD, STAR TREK: LOWER DECKS and STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS as they discuss the latest seasons of their hit series and tease what’s ahead, along with a few reveals and surprises. Moderated by actress and STAR TREK: PICARD season two director, Lea Thompson (Back to the Future ).

STAR TREK: PICARD cast members scheduled to appear include Patrick Stewart and Gates McFadden, alongside executive producers Alex Kurtzman and Rod Roddenberry.

STAR TREK: LOWER DECKS will feature voice cast members Jack Quaid, Tawny Newsome, Noël Wells and Dawnn Lewis and creator and executive producer Mike McMahan, executive producers Alex Kurtzman and Rod Roddenberry.

STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS will have its Hall H debut with cast members Anson Mount, Ethan Peck, Christina Chong, Celia Rose Gooding and the latest addition to the cast, Paul Wesley, along with executive producers Henry Alonso Myers, Alex Kurtzman and Rod Roddenberry . Saturday, July 23, 12:45 – 2:15 PM, PT, Hall H

Paramount+ Presents STAR TREK’S 10 FORWARD: THE EXPERIENCE in San Diego. For all of you “Star Trek” fans out there, look no further! Paramount+ is bringing STAR TREK’S 10 FORWARD: THE EXPERIENCE to San Diego this July. Step foot inside this one-of-a-kind immersive “Star Trek” experience with tasty food, intergalactic drinks, a multitude of photo opportunities and interactive activations. Walk away with exclusive merch you can only buy at the experience. All species are welcome to attend including Vulcans, Kelpians, Saurians, Cardassians, and Humans. The tickets for “10 FORWARD” sold out quickly, but you can still purchase exclusive merch and enjoy a beverage outdoors in the official “STARFLEET OUTPOST” beer garden. Entry is first come, first served. Live long and prosper! Thursday, July 21 – Sunday, July 24; 340 Fifth Ave, San Diego, 92101.

Wrath of P’Khan Coolhaus Ice Cream Truck. In celebration of the 40th anniversary of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, women-owned ice cream brand Coolhaus will be bringing fans in San Diego free, limited-edition Wrath of P’Khan ice cream sandwiches via a branded truck. The film-inspired wrapped truck will be visiting fans on Saturday, July 23, 10:00 AM – 6:00 PM (or while supplies last), PT at Petco Park Interactive Zone; 100 Park Blvd, San Diego, CA 92101. Visit WrathOfPKhan.com for more details.

EVIL Exclusive Screening and Panel: Come join the cast of Paramount+’s hit series EVIL ! Now in its third season, the critically acclaimed psychological mystery examines the origins of evil along the dividing line between Science and religion. The series focuses on a skeptical female psychologist who joins a priest and a contractor as they investigate the church’s backlog of unexplained mysteries, including supposed miracles, demonic possessions and hauntings. Their job is to assess if there’s a logical explanation or if something truly supernatural is at work. Please join series stars Katja Herbers, Mike Colter, Aasif Mandvi, Christine Lahti and Kurt Fuller for an exclusive sneak peek of an episode from Season Three followed by a panel discussion moderated by Devan Coggan from Entertainment Weekly. Saturday, July 23, 10:15 – 11:30 AM, PT, Ballroom 20

Series creator and showrunner Jeff Davis and Teen Wolf the Movie star Tyler Posey, Tyler Hoechlin, and surprise guests preview the upcoming Paramount+ film, while taking a look back at the iconic series that started it all. Thursday, July 21, 1:30 – 2:30 PM, PT, Hall H

Join Beavis and Butt-Head creator Mike Judge and a celebrity moderator as they have a lively conversation about Beavis, Butt-Head, and everything in-between. They’ll discuss the upcoming Beavis and Butt-Head Paramount+ original series as well as the recently released movie Beavis and Butt-Head Do the Universe . Thursday, July 21, 4:45 – 5:45 PM, PT, Ballroom 20

Nickelodeon’s RUGRATS: The Babies Are Back! The Babies are Back! Hold on to your diapies, throw “Cynthia’s Workout” on the stereo, and HALT! for Reptar – your favorite babies are back and better than ever! Join voice talent from the Paramount+ Original Series Rugrats, EG Daily (Tommy), Cheryl Chase (Angelica), and Charlet Chung (Kimi), along with executive producer Eryk Casemiro as they bust out of the playpen to give fans an exclusive look at behind-the-scenes art and sneak peeks of never-before-seen content, perform a live table-read, and provide answers to popular questions. A baby’s gotta do what a baby’s gotta do! Moderated by Jim Viscardi, Executive Editor, Comicbook.com. Thursday, July 21, 2022, 1:00 PM – 2:00 PM, PT, Room 6BCF

SpongeBob SquarePants : Dive Into SpongeBob Universe: Put on your diving suit and get ready to delve deep into Nickelodeon’s “SpongeBob SquarePants” and its two original spinoff series, The Patrick Star Show and the Paramount+ Original Series, KAMP KORAL: SPONGEBOB’S UNDER YEARS . Legendary voice talent from all three series – Tom Kenny (SpongeBob), Bill Fagerbakke (Patrick), Jill Talley (Karen, Squidina), Kate Higgins (Narlene), and Carlos Alazraqui (Nobby) —and executive producers Marc Ceccarelli and Vincent Waller will take fans on an undersea adventure to explore these iconic shows and characters and reveal what to expect next from SpongeBob and the denizens of Bikini Bottom. Moderated by Patrick Gomez, Editor-in-Chief, Entertainment Weekly. Thursday, July 21, 2022, 3:30 – 4:30 PM, PT, Room 6BCF

TRANSFORMERS: EARTHSPARK! Autobots, Roll Out! Meet the next generation of heroes in the new original animated series, Transformers: EarthSpark . From Nickelodeon and Entertainment One, the all-new Paramount+ Original Series will showcase an insider event that celebrates a new take on the iconic global franchise with a behind-the-scenes look at art, casting and never-before-seen clips and a first time look at the Hasbro toyline inspired by the series. Featured panelists include all new-series voice talent– Danny Pudi (Bumblebee), Kat Khavari (Twitch) and Zeno Robinson (Thrash)–along with co-executive producer Dale Malinowski and executive producer Ant Ward. Moderated by Mike Cecchini, Editor-in-Chief, Den of Geek. Friday, July 22, 2022, 2:15 – 3:15 PM, PT, Room 6A

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Star Trek Universe Panel — Saturday, July 22 at 1:30PM (Hall H)

The fan-favorite STAR TREK universe returns to San Diego Comic-Con, featuring exclusive reveals and surprises from upcoming and current seasons of STAR TREK: DISCOVERY, STAR TREK: LOWER DECKS, and STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS. Fans in attendance will also be the first to see the highly anticipated STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS and STAR TREK: LOWER DECKS crossover episode with a special Hall H premiere screening!

The Official Star Trek: The Animated Series 50th Anniversary Celebration — Friday, June 21 at 10 AM PT (Room 25ABC)

This event marks the launch of a campaign celebrating 50 years of STAR TREK: THE ANIMATED SERIES with John Van Citters (VP, Star Trek Brand Development); explore the latest in publishing with an IDW representative and talk gaming with Scopely’s Brian Lelas (Lead Narrative Designer, Star Trek Fleet Command) and Rebekah Plants (Community Manager, Star Trek Fleet Command). In addition, the panel will feature limited edition pin giveaways and special guest Casper Kelly (Star Trek: Short Treks, Too Many Cooks)!

Interactive Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Exhibit (Booth #3529)

Experience the Paramount+ original series STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS on the convention floor through an interactive booth inspired by the U.S.S. Enterprise. The booth features two immersive photo opportunities, where fans can take the helm of the renowned captain’s chair and then place themselves in the footsteps of Starfleet by selecting one of four “strange new worlds” to explore. Within the booth, fans will also get an intimate look at official costumes and props from the series on display and have a chance to receive exclusive giveaways.

Star Trek Universe Activation

The Star Trek brand team, in partnership with Paramount+, will also be distributing limited-edition pins daily during San Diego Comic-Con in the downtown Gaslamp District at “The Lodge: A Paramount+ Experience,” located at the transformed Happy Does Bar. Happy Does Bar, 340 Fifth Ave, San Diego, CA 92101. Operating hours: Wednesday, July 19, 6-10PM; Thursday, July 20-Saturday, July 22, 12 – 10PM; Sunday, July 23, 10AM – 7PM. Admission is free, but is on a reservation system. No SDCC badge is required.

For those of you visiting San Diego Comic Con and lucky enough to attend the Hall H screening, please keep those Lower Decks / Strange New Worlds crossover spoilers to yourself until the rest of your fellow fans get to watch on Paramount+ next Thursday!

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Star Trek: Picard series lead Patrick Stewart will be joined on stage by Jonathan Frakes , LeVar Burton , Gates McFadden , Brent Spiner , Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn , along with Executive Producers Alex Kurtzman , Rod Roddenberry and Terry Matalas on Saturday, October 8th .

In addition to the Picard panel, Star Trek: Discovery ‘s Sonequa Martin-Green will join Executive Producers Alex Kurtzman, Rod Roddenberry and Michelle Paradise to discuss Michael Burnham’s journey throughout the series. Additionally, Star Trek: Prodigy’s Kate Mulgrew , Ella Purnell , Brett Gray and Jameela Jamil , alongside Executive Producers Alex Kurtzman, Rod Roddenberry, Kevin Hageman , Dan Hageman and Ben Hibon will appear on stage together to discuss what to expect from the series when it returns in October.

The Star Trek Universe panel takes place on Saturday, October 8 from 4–5:30 pm ET . While the panels will not likely be streamed live, TrekNews.net will be there to bring you all the late-breaking details.

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NYCC ’22: Star Trek Universe panel features Discovery, Prodigy & Picard

The Beat reports on the Trek annoucements at NYCC '22.

By Ani Bundel

There has never been more Star Trek in the world than at this moment. Even in the 1990s, when the first revival happened with The Next Generation , and it spun off into Deep Space Nine and then Voyager , there was never this much. The sheer amount of series, streaming and in development, was unimaginable to fans once upon a time, not so long ago. When asked by an audience member about the sheer volume of new content, Alex Kurtzman said they were in the business of quality, not quantity.

STAR TREK UNIVERSE panel

The New York Comic Con Empire Stage folded them all into one mega panel on the Empire Stage on Saturday afternoon. The room was packed to the gills with fans, ready to talk Star Trek: Discovery, Star Trek: Prodigy , and Star Trek: Picard .

Discovery Season 5

The first panel started with the series that began the new generation of shows, Star Trek Discovery . Actors Anthony Rapp , Wilson Cruz , and, in a surprise appearance, Sonequa Martin-Green (zooming from the set) joined Kurtzman, Rod Roddenberry , and Michelle Paradise to discuss Season 5.

After an exclusive glimpse at Season 5, the panel discussed Captain Reynar, played by Callum Keith Rennie , plus L’ak and Moll, played by Elias Toufexis and Eve Harlow , a pair of Bonnie & Clyde characters. Rapp and Cruz described Reynar as the cranky counterpart to Green’s Burnham. They also discuss how the show changes tone every season and how it’s always a quest that they come together to solve. Asked about Burnham and Book’s relationship, Green says the conflict between duty and romance, that line between personal and professional, is fascinating to play.

Before the first segment of the Star Trek Universe panel wrapped up, a few audience questions were allowed, including a request for Star Trek: The Musical, and Kurtzman did not say no. Do with that what you will.

Star Trek: Prodigy Season 1 Part 2

Prodigy had its original premiere at NYCC 2021, and Season 1 part 2 brought the cast back to celebrate the show’s release during the Star Trek universe panel. Kurtzman and Roddenberry stayed on stage to greet the group, including actors Kate Mulgrew , Brett Gray , and Jameela Jamil , plus series writer Ben Hibon and creators Dan and Kevin Hageman . (Actor Ella Purnell , who was initially scheduled to appear, didn’t make it.)

When asked how she felt about Prodigy being out in the world, Mulgrew said it was amazing, more than Voyager , and she thought her career would never top that and playing the first female starship captain. But Prodigy is vital for a different and perhaps a better reason. It’s Star Trek ’s first time targeting the generation of children who are the most impressionable and agree the most with its belief in the good of humanity. She also complimented the Hagermans, calling Prodigy “genius” and thanking them for creating this.

Jamil and Grey grew up as Trek fans; Jamil said she’d been a fan since she was four. She said she couldn’t say yes fast enough and that this was the best thing she’d ever done, period. Also, when asked if Prodigy could cross over with anything, the way Star Trek: Strange New Worlds and Star Trek: Lower Decks will be doing next year, she begged to be part of Picard Season 3, as TNG was her Star Trek growing up.

Asked about the addition of the Borg to Prodigy, Hibon admits it’s not an easy marriage since the Borg is such a complex villain to comprehend. But he thinks the challenge is why it works for the show. It’s working, too. Roddenberry admits his son watched Prodigy and was confused by the concept of a “mid-season break” and demanded his father produce more immediately. Though he couldn’t, the wait will be worth it. Ronny Cox will be reprising his role as Edward Jellico from TNG, now Admiral Jellico, and Billy Campbell will be back as Outrageous Okana.

Prodigy returns with the second half of Season 1 on October 27.

Picard Season 3, aka TNG Season 9

But the highlight of the Star Trek universe panel, and the reason the room was packed, was the TNG reunion. Kurtzman and Roddenberry greeted Picard showrunner Terry Matalas and the crew of The New Generation : Patrick Stewart , Jonathan Frakes , LeVar Burton , Gates McFadden , Brent Spiner , Marina Sirtis , and Michael Dorn . The standing ovation was tearful as the cast greeted their fans.

The trailer for the final series of Picard/TNG revealed the villains for this round. Matalas confirmed that Amanda Plummer would play “Vadic,” a classic Trek villain with solid, relatable reasons to want vengeance. As for Daniel Davis returning as Professor Moriarty, fans will just have to wait to learn more. And for those who guessed that Spiner would be back as Lore since Data is dead, good job.

When asked to talk about his role as Lore, Spiner said he’d signed so many NDAs he had no idea what he could and couldn’t tell us, while Sirtis quipped she’d signed so many, she felt like one of Trump’s mistresses. (The audience ate it up.) The audience ate up everything, to be honest, giving each actor a massive round of applause when asked about the characters. Of all of them, the biggest came for Worf. Dorn admitted he had to be convinced to change some of the things about his character and went on a journey to find his way to the Worf we’ll meet now.

Sirtis might have spilled some details, but Frakes took her mic away. All he’d admit was that Roddenberry would not love the sheer amount of angsty conflict between Riker and Picard. Burton was braver, telling the audience that when they meet Geordi LaForge, he’ll be married with two grown daughters, one played by Ashlei Sharpe Chestnut and the other by his own daughter, Mica Burton .

Roddenberry said that this reunion was an immense privilege for him as he grew up on the TNG lot, and it was his Star Trek , and how they always felt like a family. Sirtis credited Rodenberry the elder’s casting skills for that and called TNG the last of Gene’s children, the last group he spearheaded assembling.

When asked whether it was possible to satisfy everyone, Kurtzman reminded the crowd Stewart initially refused to do Picard if it was TNG redux. It wasn’t until he worked with Frakes and Sirtis that he first saw that a reunion could work if done right. But to get here, the first two seasons had to be a gradual evolution to get to the point naturally, so they’d earned this reunion. Kurtzman also said there was no way they could have accomplished this had they done a TNG movie because two-three hours could never have gotten the characters to the satisfying conclusion the final episodes do.

As for the audience Q&A portion, other than Sirtis’ request the show reclaim Karl Urban from The Boys , the part worth noting was when the inevitable question came up of whether there will be more. Spiner pointed out they weren’t dead, so who knows? (He’s available to headline his own show, CBS!) Stewart, meanwhile, raised the specter of a movie. Frakes seemed dubious until Stewart pointed out that Star Trek is the rock that holds the Paramount+ mountain up. From the sounds of the audience, the crowd’s enthusiasm, and the love in the room, it seems the man who plays Jean-Luc Picard is still the savviest captain of any ship.

Picard Season 3 (aka TNG Season 9) premieres on February 16, 2023.

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Paramount+ Bringing Star Trek Back To Comic-Con With Hall H Panel Promising “Reveals And Surprises”

| July 8, 2022 | By: TrekMovie.com Staff 111 comments so far

San Diego Comic-Con is back as a live event in 2022, for the first time in three years. And Paramount+ will be there promoting the Star Trek Universe, with a focus on three shows this year. This will include a panel along with more promotions around con. We have all the details.

Star Trek Universe in Hall H

Once again Star Trek will be hitting the big stage with a Hall H panel. It will be held on Saturday, July 23, 12:45 – 2:15 PM, featuring back-to-back conversations with the casts and executive producers from Picard , Lower Decks , and Strange New Worlds . According to the official announcement, the panel will cover the latest seasons and “tease what’s ahead, along with a few reveals and surprises.”

The panel will be moderated by Star Trek: Picard director and Back to the Future actress Lea Thompson and feature executive producers Alex Kurtzman and Rod Roddenberry.

Individual show panelists include:

PICARD: Cast members Patrick Stewart and Gates McFadden.
LOWER DECKS: Cast members Jack Quaid, Tawny Newsome, Noël Wells and Dawnn Lewis, and creator and executive producer Mike McMahan.
STRANGE NEW WORLDS: Cast members Anson Mount, Ethan Peck, Christina Chong, Celia Rose Gooding, and Paul Wesley (the new James T. Kirk), and executive producer Henry Alonso Myers.

Trek round the Con

Paramount+ will also be on the convention floor with Booth #3529 with an “interactive booth space for fans to experience a mountain of entertainment.” Fans can scan a QR code located on a mountain sculpt on the outside of the booth to watch their favorite characters come to life from their phone. Once inside the booth, fans will have the opportunity to experience a mountain climb led by some of their favorite characters from Star Trek, Sonic the Hedgehog 2 , SpongeBob Squarepants , and Halo . After making the climb, they will be led to a game where they can win different swag as well as take a photo to share on social media.

There are also a couple of Star Trek promotions outside the convention center…

Paramount+ Presents “STAR TREK’S 10 FORWARD: THE EXPERIENCE” in San Diego.

For all of you “Star Trek” fans out there, look no further! Paramount+ is bringing “STAR TREK’S 10 FORWARD: THE EXPERIENCE” to San Diego this July. Step foot inside this one-of-a-kind immersive “Star Trek” experience with tasty food, intergalactic drinks, a multitude of photo opportunities and interactive activations. Walk away with exclusive merch you can only buy at the experience. All species are welcome to attend including Vulcans, Kelpiens, Saurians, Cardassians, and Humans. The tickets for “10 FORWARD” sold out quickly, but you can still purchase exclusive merch and enjoy a beverage outdoors in the official “STARFLEET OUTPOST” beer garden. Entry is first come, first served. Live long and prosper! Thursday, July 21 – Sunday, July 24; 340 Fifth Ave, San Diego, 92101.

Wrath of P’Khan Coolhaus Ice Cream Truck.

In celebration of the 40th anniversary of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan , women-owned ice cream brand Coolhaus will be bringing fans in San Diego free, limited-edition Wrath of P’Khan ice cream sandwiches via a branded truck. The film-inspired wrapped truck will be visiting fans on Saturday, July 23, 10:00 AM – 6:00 PM, PT (or while supplies last) at Petco Park Interactive Zone; 100 Park Blvd, San Diego, CA 92101. Visit WrathOfPKhan.com for more details.

TrekMovie will be there to cover it all and more

TrekMovie.com will be covering Comic-Con with a team and will be covering it here on the site along with live updates on our @trekmovie Twitter and Instagram pages, along with a breakdown after the event on the All Access Star Trek: Podcast. In addition to the official Paramount+ Star Trek promotions there are other Trek-related panels and events along with new merchandise including some conventions exclusive. So keep up with TrekMovie for all the updates before, during, and after the event.

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I think it’s a few years away still, but that would be so awesome if they announced TOS 2.0 as part of their long-term plans.

Wouldn’t that be Strange New Worlds ?

Yup. Pike’s story was never told so SNW makes sense. Kirk’s story was already told in TOS and the six films that followed. Expanding on Kirk’s story in SNW with scattered appearances seems organic to SNW, launching another series with Kirk not-so-much.

Agreed! Just don’t have any real interest for a TOS reboot. Wasn’t that the point of the Kelvin movies?

I love that we’ve reached the point where Alex Kurtzman could announce a TV reboot of TOS and get a standing ovation.

That would have been unthinkable only a few months ago.

I think they’re waiting for Shatner to kick the bucket before doing it. It will be funny when the time comes for TNG 2.0 and everyone cheering TOS 2.0 suddenly are old enough to be mad about *that.*

Good points!

With Paul Wesley as Kirk, no thank you. That skinny little guy has no gravitas.

Yeah! We want chubby Kirk! Talk about gravitas! Bring back chubby Kirk! :-) (DISCLAIMER: This post contains sarcasm.)

I’ll wait to see him more in the role first — as Kirk’s career proceeds and Kirk matures further — before I jump to that conclusion.

Also, since he’s playing a much younger Kirk, they have the option to recast the character for TOS 2.0 if Wesley fizzles out in the role.

Much younger Kirk? The actor is 39.

I didn’t comment on the actor’s age. What I said was:

since he’s playing a much younger Kirk

he’s not playing younger kirk. the Kirk we saw was at the proper age for Balance of Terror. Now that we’ve returned to “normal time” we’ve yet to see younger Kirk (except for the screen in Pikes ready room)

You can reason Kirk was “off” because in that universe he didn’t have Bones or Spock to season him, but you can’t pin it on his age.

Will definitely be difficult to overcome a wet fart of a first impression, but it looks like we’re going to get a lot of him next season, whether we want it or not.

Yes, get him a personal trainer and bulk him up, a bit, Anson Mount, and Ethan Peck are quite athletic. It’s hard to judge him after only one appearance. Kirk must be one of the hardest if not the hardest role to do with another actor. You have to bring enough Shatner without it being a parody or imitation. The actor will bring his own take as well. Just get him to the gym, please.

Recasting the entire TOS crew? What a novel, fresh idea!

I’m not sure what this obsession is amongst some fans with remaking TOS. If you don’t like it simply don’t watch it. Given that they’ve cast a 40 year old to play Kirk it makes far more sense just to do the second 5 year mission. It achieves exactly the same thing without creating further fractures in the fanbase.

I’d like to see it updated, as it’s finally getting so dated (sexism, production values, etc.) that its not relevant to today’s audiences (e.g. Tiger 2 commented that he doesn’t feel like watching it much anymore for reasons like this), and younger fans are no longer going to gravitate towards it. Plus an updated version will be able to bring the canon up to date as well with both current Trek series and real world history.

I would plan it as a 6 season run. I would take the best 30 TOS eps, and remake them, and then make 30 new TOS eps with stories we have never seen before. Each season, we’d give 5 remakes and 5 new content eps.

I get the logic and I can’t dispute that, it is dated but the other shows (in particular SNW) are kind of updating it retrospectively without actually remaking it. I just feel that it would be extremely divisive to redo TOS as a prime timeline show. Doing the second 5 year mission achieves the best of both worlds. You have new material keeping the classic characters relevant for those that can no longer stomach TOS and it provides a gateway for newer fans that understandably don’t consider a 1960’s tv show particularly accessible. I’m not naive enough to think that it would keep all the fans happy but I think it would be far less divisive.

I would certainly support your option if they don’t want to do the full reboot.

I would certainly support doing a second 5 year mission post TMP. That period of time is completely unexplored.

That would probably be the easiest thing to do. It’s a largely unexplored era so you could mix up the cast, introduce new characters and be less bound by past history.

I don’t see much point in remaking any of the original episodes. Sure you would have better effects and state of the art sets but the stories being told would be essentially the same and what’s the point of retelling a story if it was done right the first time. The writers would get dinged for lacking originality and imagination; the actors probably wouldn’t find it particularly rewarding just regurgitating previously established dialogue and critics would have a field day with a show that wasn’t able to come up with its own stories (I’ve already seen a bit of this on some reviews of the season 1 finale).

Another benefit to setting it after the events of TMP is that Kirk’s age would be more in line with Wesley’s if he’s the actor they decide to stay with.

OK, you guys have me warming to this “second 5-year mission” idea.

Ugh. Why not just leave it alone, and instead spend the resources to make something totally new?

The same could be said of TNG as it relates to sexism, productions values, etc. and what you’re suggesting would directly impact numerous episodes of TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise.

As for updating TOS to reflect real world history, they’ve been fudging and tweaking things a bit but Earth’s history was established in TOS and expanded upon in each series and film that followed, including Picard. Stories can reflect themes of current events but Star Trek’s history has already wildly diverged from ours.

TOS was a series unlike virtually any other in the 1960s and its relevance and impact has been felt for decades. The 2009 film was a reflection of that and what they did was brilliant, ensuring that the legacy of Star Trek from TOS through Enterprise was preserved while allowing them to tell new stories with characters are deeply engrained in our culture. “Discovery” actually fits nicely into the Kelvin timeline and it should have been a prequel to the 2009 film, not TOS.

So, yeah, it seems unlikely that we would get a new series with Kirk on the Enterprise. A show before the Enterprise? Maybe.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an idea to do just that. It would mean you could reuse the exact sets from Strange New Worlds and each show could still be in production at the same time. I doubt fans want to say goodbye to Pike and then you could just add Rand, Chekov, Sulu, Bones, Scotty and go from there along with Chapel, Spock, and Uhura and bam – you’ve got two shows.

Yea, that could work!

I’d be down with that but I just can’t see them having both running concurrently.

I am hoping for a pre TOS Kirk series first. Hoping that just as Discovery Season 2 was the precursor for SNW, that SNW Season 2 with JTK will launch into a JTK series for the two shows to possibly flip with Pike becoming Fleet Captain, and Kirk taking Enterprise.

Kirk being captain of the Farragut or another ship for a couple years with Bones and Gary Mitchell there as well as La’an

Not a bad idea at all!

I think we’ll be getting “Star Trek Year One” in the not so distant future… The first year of the famous Five Year Mission, with TOS being Years 2, 3 and 4 and TAS being Year 5… Then, after SNW ends, they will refit the Enterprise and there will be Admiral Kirk’s second Five Year Mission set inbetween TMP and TWOK…

I’d prefer Trek to do more new things, instead of just remaking the old stuff. I wouldn’t mind if the final episode of SNW ended with Kirk taking command of the same crew from WNMHGB though.

I’m sorry, but I do not like the idea of rebooting TOS, TNG, or any of the shows. I don’t see a problem with new stories within the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries; but we don’t need a retelling of those characters. I think with the success of SNW, people just assume doing TOS again will be good.

If the next film actually happens, TOS 2.0 seems unlikely.

Hey! You know what else is a few years away? Star Trek XIV !!!! Stay tuned….

God, I hope not. I’m sick to death of prequels. We’ve had prequel Trek since 2001!

Time to keep moving on. Stay in the 25th Century and beyond.

Very fortunate to live in San Diego, and have the ‘Con at my doorstep! Looking forward to all the Trek and LOTR goodies. Energize!!

I can’t believe I’m looking forward to this, because it means we’re definitely going to get a Picard – Season Three trailer.

I’m going to go with teaser, vs. trailer. I’ll bet a few shots of the TNG crew, under sixty seconds. Just show me Worf and I’m good for another few months.

Fair enough. In my dream of dreams, the next live action release is not Disco #5, it’s Picard season three, timed to coincide with the 35th anniversary of TNG’s debut (September 28, 1987).

Of course Pic S3 will come first — they finished live action on that months back, and DSC S5 just started live action work, so S5 is at least 9-10 months away from airing.

I expect Pic S3 this fall, SNW S2 this winter, and DSC S5 next spring…educated guesses.

And I do think there will be a full trailer of Pic S3 at Comicon given the way that they have been releasing so much info in advance for this series — way more advance info than any other Kurtzman series to date.

I think Picard S3 will be the next live-action release, but I think Lower Decks S3 and Prodigy S1.5 will both come first. Remember, Prodigy is still in an extended midseason break, halfway through a season that began in October 2021, and I don’t think they’ll want to wait until 2023 to finish a season that began in 2021.

Assuming Lower Decks isn’t coming until August (which fits, as it’s close enough that we’ve had the first teaser and the first clip, but far enough that we don’t have a date, and August is both the month when both previous seasons debuted and also after this CC which will have a panel devoted to the show, at which they could announce the date among other things), that Prodigy immediately follows Lower Decks , and that they don’t overlap any of the shows (which might not be the case, as they’ve occasionally overlapped seasons of the current shows, with episodes of two shows on the same day, but they seem to avoid it for the most part), then the earliest date for Picard S3 would be December 22 (that’s if Lower Decks S3 starts on August 4, the first Thursday available in that month this year).

I do think you’re correct about the sequence of the live action shows, though – first Picard S3, then SNW S2, and finally Discovery S5.

This makes the most sense to me too. It looks like it will be LDS first and then the rest of Prodigy and as you said those will last through December. I don’t think Picard will come until early next year and then probably SNW in early spring and Discovery in the summer. Then it will probably be LDS and Prodigy again since they are both working on their new seasons now.

Lemme guess. Spiner will be playing one of the bad guys, possibly named Soong.

Seeing him in the trailer for this in that sort of a role would be the first sign that this season is going to be another stinker.

I’m still hoping for Lore.

I’m hoping for Data. I know Spiner has said he’s finished with that role but it’s not out of the question that he could bring the character out of retirement for one last hurrah with all his old cast mates. It’s not like it would be difficult to do either, they literally just switched off his hard drive.

Please, no. The final scene between Data and Picard was utter perfection.

Yeah I am REALLY looking forward to a Picard trailer now!!! That’s going to be really really exciting for most fans no matter what your thoughts on Picard so far.

Same here. With all this talk of a full reboot of TOS souring me, PIC S3 with the full cast back is my next big attraction.

To me SNW is already feeling like a TOS reboot lol. I think the trailer with the TNG cast will break the internet the day it happens. Me and you are on the same page with Picard (really really bad) but I’m hoping this will set the course right!

I was hoping we would get some Discovery S5 news as the anticipation for the season is killing me. But i suppose since they only started to film S5 they probably don’t even have an episode finished since it takes around 3 weeks to finish filming an episode. Looking forward to hearing news from the other shows too.

I see that only Sir Patrick Stewart and Gates McFadden are going to SDCC for the Picard panel. Gates McFadden must play a much bigger part in next season’s story then they’re leading us to believe if it’s only her and Sir Patrick on this panel but I’ll bet that the whole Next Generation crew will wind up showing up as one of those “surprises” that are mentioned in the promo info anyways. I wonder if they’re gonna reveal who next season’s villain is finally.

Also, I wonder if we’re gonna find out that Beverly and Jean-Luc are gonna become a couple, in canon, finally, at this panel. Because I’m pretty sure that they’re gonna get together next year and I think the series finale of Picard will be Jean-Luc and Beverly’s wedding and Wesley’s gonna show up so that Wil Wheaton can have one last scene with the man he reveres, Sir Patrick Stewart. That’s my speculation, anyways. Hopefully, it happens🤞.

Live long and prosper, Trekmovie 🖖

An entire season revolving around Beverly Crusher is a pretty foolproof plan when you think about it because no way could it be boring because ol’ Bev is one of the richest and most layered of Trek characters.

LOL, my thought exactly. That’s how you make S3 as inept as S2 unfortunately turned out to be.

Also, Picard finally found his true love and the woman he’s going to spend his impending retirement with in Tallinn — she’s a perfect fit for Picard (and Orla Brady is a superior actress as well). And given this, what a complete jerk Picard would be to dump her for Crusher.

That wacky idea is DOA in my opinion.

correction: Laris, not Tallinn

Well, it won’t be the whole season. We still got the rest of the TNG crew to see too. But I think her and Picard’s relationship is going to play heavily into next season, especially since we know that Laris’ last episode is episode 2 of the upcoming third season. Orla Brady tweeted that and that’s probably because the majority of the season deals with Beverly and Jean-Luc rediscovering each other again.

We’ll see soon. Hopefully, we get an inkling as to what’s coming in season 3 of Picard at SDCC. Maybe another little teaser? We won’t get the trailer until Star Trek:Las Vegas in August or on Star Trek Day in September and that’s pretty much the way they’ve been doing it for the past two years now.

Live long and prosper, Temporal Orel 🖖

They already said Crusher is going to have a pretty big role in the season so finger’s crossed. I don’t care if PIcard or Crusher are together but I wouldn’t fight it either. ;)

I know, Tiger2. I believe Terry Matalas said that she’s in 6 episodes but not what six, of course. I believe Jean-Luc and Beverly should be together. For the TNG book readers out there like me, that would be a big deal and it would be a great way to honor a storyline that a lot of Trekkies loved, a storyline that spanned almost 20 years worth of novels real time, not book time, mind you, and produced a child between the two of them.

One of the Star Trek book writers is an executive producer on the Picard show so there’s a chance that they could get together. It’s also possible that Crusher and Picard might’ve hooked up in the past sometime shortly after Nemesis and she might’ve gotten pregnant by Jean-Luc but never told him. So, in the past 20 years, Crusher might’ve left Starfleet to go raise her child and maybe that’s why she comes looking for Jean-Luc because they’re son or daughter has disappeared and she needs Jean-Luc’s help to find him or her? This could be a possibility, right?

Searching for his missing child, a child he didn’t know existed, would give Admiral Picard a major reason to reach out to his former shipmates, wouldn’t it, Tiger2? Some food for thought. I also believe that the Picard show should and probably will end with Crusher and Picard getting married. It just makes the most sense and would give Admiral Picard a happy ending which doesn’t happen all the time in Star Trek.

But having those two get married just makes the most sense because Beverly knows Jean-Luc so well. Their lives have been so intertwined since the Academy, you know. I recall Picard talking about knowing this fiery red-haired woman back in his Academy days to Dr.Crusher. If that’s the case and Picard has known her since the Academy, then that’s even more justification for them to get together. That’s like high school sweethearts right there, almost 🙂.

That’s why it makes perfect sense for them to get together. At least it makes sense to me anyways. We’ll have to wait and see what happens, right 🙂? Live long and prosper, Tiger2 🖖.

Yes all that is possible I agree. It’s still odd though in two seasons Beverly’s name had not even been uttered so it’s going to be interesting if they suddenly throw them together. If it happens it will probably be in a way where they realize they still have feelings for each other and those feelings come out during the season. OR it could be the complete opposite and she has a family with someone else.

I don’t think they would do that though, that would just get a lot of fans super angry lol. I never bought Picard’s and Laris’ relationship because they oddly just threw it out there in season 2 and then did absolutely nothing with it. She was basically gone after the first episode and then showed up again in the last few minutes of the finale. Like so much of season 2, it came off disjointed and half baked. So I’m fine if they move on from that and it’s about Picard and Beverly. That’s what a lot of fans want obviously.

And yes I think it would be nice if Picard ends with him married with Beverly and sail in the sunset together. I kind of think kids would be out of the question given both of their ages but with 25th century medicine anything is possible I guess.

I do hope if nothing else Picard gets a happy ending! I don’t see them killing off the character and they already did that in season one. ;)

Hear, hear, I agree 🙂👍💯. That’s funny because how you described what might happen with Picard and Beverly rediscovering their feelings through the season, I thought of the exact same thing earlier. We’re thinking like two peas in a pod, Tiger2 😄! Originally, when Picard first started, I did think that the show would end with him dying.

But now that Terry Matalas wants to give everyone a grand send off, I don’t see him dying now. It makes more sense, logically, to give Picard a happy ending, finally, after all of the darkness he’s been through in his life. I think the real reason why we got Laris in the first place is because Sir Patrick wanted Picard to fall in love with a woman who looks like his wife does. Take away the ears and there is a slight resemblance between Orla Brady and Sir Patrick Stewart’s wife. I think he was trying to pull off on screen what William Shatner did in his Shatnerverse novels and that was to make his real wife a character in the Star Trek Universe.

And Sir Patrick’s did wind up showing up on screen, I know that, singing there on stage at that bar in Picard season 2. But I think he wanted his wife to have a much bigger part than that and I think that’s where Laris came from because the resemblance between Sir Patrick’s wife and Orla Brady is really quite remarkable. And the reason why I say that he wanted to do on screen what William Shatner did in his novels is because Teilani, who winds up becoming Captain Kirk’s wife in the Shatnerverse novels, (which came out back in the ’90s.) and who gives him another son named Joseph Kirk, looked exactly like William Shatner ‘s late wife did, Nerine. And Sir Patrick would know this since he and William Shatner are friends and he’s probably read all 10 of the Shatnerverse novels from him because William Shatner probably gave him advance copies of them to read.

That’s why I think Laris was created solely because Sir Patrick wanted to include his wife into the show. Whether it’s true or not, who knows, right? If someone should go to a convention with Sir Patrick at it maybe they could ask him about it and maybe he might tell them if it’s true or not but for now we can perchance to dream, right 🙂? Live long and prosper, Tiger2 🖖.

OK that Patrick Stewart Laris/wife theory is crazy lol. I mean maybe but it seem like they wouldn’t had her married in season one then and made her a love interest for Picard from the start. That’s why the Picard/Laris relationship is just so bizarre. It just felt tacked on in season 2 since her and Zhaban were together which was clearly decades. Maybe you’re right and it was Stewart who wanted Picard to have a relationship so who knows? But they did absolutely nothing with it. So yeah.

Anyway, I do agree I think Matalas wants to give Picard a happy ending. And I think they want to keep Picard alive just for any future purposes; especially for any future spin offs. I do think Stewart is done doing a Star Trek show but they can probably still convince him to do a guest appearance or a cameo role. Now if he’s adamant he’s truly done playing Picard, then maybe they will kill him but I just don’t see it happening.

As far as him and Beverly, again MAY NOT happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised they go down that road. I wanted them together when TNG was around so it would be fitting it happens 35 years later (wow).

Lastly I have to say while I’m still on the fence about next season your enthusiasm for it is really nice to see. I am very excited about everyone being back, but I am afraid they are going to mess this up and I don’t know if I can handle it if they do. These characters are definitive Star Trek to me in so many ways. Its why Nepenthe was such a big hit for fans. So I’m crossing my fingers. ;)

Yes, the Sir Patrick and Laris thing might be far fetched but remember Laris was married in season 1 to Zhaban because it was Michael Chabon’s story. Sir Patrick had a say but not as much as like he did in season 2. If you need proof of that then look no further than the whole story behind Picard’s mother. That whole thing came from Sir Patrick wanting to add pathos and drama to Picard.

Now the reason why Laris and Picard didn’t get together in season 1 is because Laris was only in it for a couple of episodes. Then there was a time jump in season 2 and suddenly Picard is starting to realize that he has feelings for Laris and Zhaban had a heart attack. Like I said, I believe Sir Patrick pushed for the Laris thing because of how much Orla Brady looks like his wife and also because she was really easy to work with according to him. But where does that easiness come from?

Probably because she looks so much like his wife so he can relax around her. It’s all just speculation here. I don’t have any proof. It’s just some good natured fun here, that’s all. As for your trepidation for season 3, I fully understand.

Trust me, I grew up back then too so TNG was my crew also growing up. I just don’t put expectations anymore on anything or anyone after seeing Into Darkness and Beyond. I realize it’s all just stories. It’s up to us which ones we like or don’t like.

Paramount doesn’t really care what one person thinks because behind that one person is a 100 or a 1,000 people who do like it. Case in point Paul Wesley as Captain Kirk. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying that he was good. Especially since he only had 3 days to prepare for that episode before they shot it.

There’s an article from Entertainment Weekly with Paul Wesley and he talks about how he was hired for season 2 but he had no idea at all about being in the season 1 finale until 3 days before they had to shoot it. They had no intention of telling anyone that Captain Kirk was going to be in this episode until we watched and saw him in it. It was gonna be a mind-melting moment for us or it was until the paparazzi found out about him and who he was playing so then they had to change their plans. Mr.Wesley did say that the James T. Kirk we see in season 2 is actually more like the character we know in the Prime Timeline.

The only reason why Captain Kirk was different in the finale is because it was an alternate timeline. And this all comes straight from Paul Wesley himself in this Entertainment Weekly article that came out the other day. So I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt but I know their are fans out there that won’t do that and that’s fine, that’s their choice. But these are all just stories and none of us own these stories.

Paramount does. Gene Roddenberry sold the franchise to them so it’s up to them what they want to do with the characters. It’s their sandbox now, not Gene Roddenberry’s, not Rod Roddenberry’s, and not us Trekkies either. So that’s why I’m excited for season 3 instead of hesitant.

Now if I find out that Brent Spiner is the bad guy again, then I’ll be mad but what can I do about it? I don’t own it so it’s not gonna matter if I complain and if I complain but other people love it then that just adds more division within the Trek fandom and I don’t want to do that, you know. So I come up with speculation about what might be coming to keep me excited and my interest piqued. Now I might be wrong, like I was about the Romulans, but I still love to dream about Star Trek and what might be to come and that will never stop.

I have too much imagination to not run out of it 🙂. I’m an idealist and I’m a dreamer and that will never change. Live long and prosper, Tiger2 🖖

OK I understand your point about the Laris thing, but IF you’re right then it may imply that she and Picard will end up together. Because why push the relationship if they don’t actually get together then? And I like Laris, but she was technically only in 5 episodes (not counting Tallinn obviously) so I just don’t have much attachment to her. But if they are together I will be OK with that too. But now that Beverly is back, well yeah I would prefer them because I always wanted them together. Or maybe Laris and Picard will end up together on the show but killed off later to make room for Crusher. Just throwing out lame ideas lol.

I just rewatched Quality of Mercy and I will say Kirk is slightly better in this go around but I’ll wait to see what they do with him in season 2. He’s not a bad actor, he just doesn’t feel like Kirk. If you gave him a different last name, I don’t think anyone would notice.

And yes I read the interview Wesley gave to EW saying he will be more like Kirk in season 2 and he made clear it will be in the SNW timeline this time so I am curious how different he might be. So we’ll see. But he is very divisive based on his first appearance.

I am a little older than you and I grew up with TOS. Only in reruns but that is my in to Star Trek. But TNG became *my* show because I came of age with it. I was in elementary school when it started and was in college when it ended. So while TOS is my first Star Trek and I still adore it, TNG is what made me become the hardcore fan I am now because it was new and an age where Star Trek felt like a big deal. It was everywhere at the time. And I love the TNG era more because frankly there is just more of it lol. So many new characters, species and story lines now across 6 shows (and counting).That’s why I was excited when Picard was announced. FINALLY a post-Nemesis show again and with my favorite characters could now ALL return. I didn’t expect it to be TNG but I did expect it to better. I know a lot of people loved its first two seasons. A lot of people also loved TNGs first two seasons too. You will always find fans of anything.

I want third season to be like TNG’s third season frankly, where everything just came together and that’s not even my favorite season of the show but it is the one most can agree when the show came in its own. Terry Matalas is saying all the right things (again), that this is a real return to the TNG era and spirit in a way the first two seasons simply weren’t. If you’re going to honor these characters right, I HOPE SO!!!

Picard only has one more season so it’s now or never.

Yes, I do think that that Laris will be killed off myself because Orla Brady said that in her post on Instagram that episode 2 was her last episode of Picard and that it was time for her to put away her ears. I did have TOS on TV when I was growing up in the ’90s for a little bit. Eventually, it got moved to like 1:00 am in the morning where I lived in Connecticut at the time and I was still in school so I definitely couldn’t stay up to watch it. But TNG, DS9, and VOY were my Trek growing up but I adore TOS more than anything because that’s where it all began.

I was in middle school when I first became a full fledged Trekkie so I am younger than you but not by much 🙂. I can tell you stories about my Trek beginnings but it would take forever because I’m like Stephen King, I’m very verbose and it takes me forever to get to the point 🙂. But when I get there, I do prove that it was worth the wait 😄. The funny thing when you talk about TNG and it’s beginnings, I do like some of those episodes.

Not all because there are some bad episodes but I do like some of them. Season 3 of TNG was good but that’s because Michael Pillar came on. Maurice Hurley did not have a background of working on sci fi shows in Hollywood. He was mainly known for working on detective shows.

That’s why that Dixon Hill episode of TNG was so good or it was for me anyways! I wish they did a couple more like that instead of the Sherlock Holmes ones but that’s just me. I hope you enjoyed your rewatch of “Quality Of Mercy”. I watched “Strange New World” from Enterprise’s first season just a little while ago, the one that had everybody hallucinating in the cave.

I love that episode! When T’Pol starts speaking in Vulcan, I swear to God she’s telling Trip to go “f’ off” 😄🤣😂😆! I don’t have proof of it because I don’t know what she’s saying but that’s my interpretation of it anyways 😄. Live long and prosper, Tiger2 🖖.

Wow so you’re saying Laris will only be in the first two episodes of Picard next season? If that’s true, they definitely don’t end up together then lol. But if she’s only in two, why bring her back at all then??? That show is so weird lol. Maybe to give her a proper closure with Picard and to make way for the TNG actors I guess. And what’s sad is I really like Laris, she was a big fan favorite out of season one. But how they used her character has been so odd. But that’s been the case of most of them. It sounds like only Seven and Raffi will be the only ones truly back with the TNG cast and who knows how long? Maybe they don’t stick around all season either (but Seven has to…we riot if she doesn’t ;)).

Anyway I lived in L.A. so TOS was on multiple times of the day back then and so easy to catch! By the time TNG came along, it wasn’t showing as much but still every day. And then when TNG went into reruns they would show it and TOS together back-to-back 5 days a week and I would watch them together every night lol. As fans we have it SO lucky today of course but I still miss those days watching the reruns on TV. I watched them all in reruns through Voyager. I already told you my Enterprise story so I won’t repeat it but that was really the first show I watched basically online. At the time before Netflix was a thing CBS.com had all the Star Trek shows running for free, but you had to watch the commercials. That’s how I really watched that show since I didn’t really watch it when it aired minus season one.

And since you mentioned Enterprise, I’m currently watching Minefield again right now because, yeah, Romulans lol. And it’s one of my favorites. I still love the way T’Pol corrects Hoshi and says the name Romulan. Such a great moment! Anyway I was going to watch a DS9 episode before bed but maybe I just watch that one again too! Haven’t seen it since my grand rewatch last year. And it’s aptly named Strange New World! ;)

Yeah, the reason they’re bringing Laris back is probably for closure. She probably gets caught in the crossfire by whoever is gunning for Crusher. I think somebody’s gunning for Crusher and she’s gonna go to Jean-Luc for help and there’s gonna be an attack at the chateau and Laris will get caught in the crossfire or that’s my theory for now anyways. I liked Laris and Tallin a lot myself. I thought they were good characters. Orla Brady is a very good actress. I wish she would stay in Star Trek but it’s not meant to be, I guess. I don’t understand why half of the things that do happen on Picard happen myself. I’m expecting to tune into see Worf this season and when he returns, he’ll probably have had a heart attack or something because that’s how dark the show is. And Brent Spiner didn’t do to much to assuage my feelings because he said a few weeks ago that Picard season 3 is very different from the last two. He didn’t say that it felt like being back on TNG. He said season 3 is very different. So what’s that mean? I just hope that there’s not like all this death in order to get to Picard’s wedding because then what would be the point of the wedding if everybody but Crusher and Picard are dead, except for Riker too because he’s got that luck of his that’s just like Captain Kirk’s luck. I hope not, but, like I said before, it’s a story and all we can do is either watch it or don’t watch it. I love Star Trek too much to not watch it, know what I’m sayin’? That’s funny that you mentioned watching TOS and TNG together on weeknights because I watched the same thing up here in Connecticut. They were together for quite awhile up here in the ’90s. But we would have double Star Trek up here because the station Star Trek was on would air TOS and TNG weeknights after TNG was in syndication which that happened in TNG’s fifth season. And then on the weekends, I would get a brand new episode of DS9 first paired with a brand new episode of TNG afterwards. And I got this for a little bit until TNG ended. TOS wasn’t played on the station up here at any specific time for too long because there’s only 79 episodes so they would burn through them quick. But TNG’s a different story. When it went into syndication, it had a hundred episodes to it. So that stayed on consistently until it went off the air. When it ended, my Star Trek shows to watch went down to 2 and I didn’t really watch Voyager back then. I didn’t see like Neelix at all. I loved Chakotay and Captain Janeway and Paris. But Neelix really bothered me and so didn’t Tuvok. Now I like Tuvok since rewatching Voyager but I still don’t like Neelix. He serves absolutely no purpose. Every time they went somewhere, it was always “Well, the Talaxians never got out this far, Captain” or “I’m not really too sure about this planet because I’ve never been here”. He’s their guide to the Delta Quadrant and yet he knows nothing. The character just seems redundant to me. I didn’t know that about CBS.com airing Star Trek back in the days but that’s probably because I always had one of the Star Trek shows to watch on TV and then, when cable became available to me, I had TOS again every day. Oh, and I used to tape the shows too so I could rewatch them whenever I wanted to. Then I started buying individual episodes at like Sam Goody and Best Buy and FYE. So I’ve had Star Trek consistently to watch. I’ve got a complete Star Trek media library up until Discovery season 1. None of the other shows have enticed me to want to buy them, except for Strange New Worlds. That one I will definitely add to my collection since all 10 episodes were fantastic 💖! And I’ve got all of the movies, even Into Darkness but I refuse to buy Beyond. And I’ve gotta buy the original animated series again too. So, as you can see, I’ve always had some Star Trek show to watch since the ’90s. I learned a valuable lesson when Enterprise went off the air and that is that Paramount can decide to stop making Star Trek shows at anytime so it’s probably best for me to have my own little Star Trek library so that I can watch them myself whenever I want 🙂. Minefield is a 👍 great episode from Enterprise! One of my favorites too. All the Romulan episodes from any one … Read more »

I guess we’ll see how they wrap up Laris story line then. I didn’t think it would be all that big judging by the first two seasons anyway but did think she would be there the whole way. I don’t want her to die or anything but they already killed off her husband lol. But you could be right and she dies early on. Maybe it what prompts the TNG crew into their next adventure.

I am definitely excited about the TNG cast being back but same time I told myself not to have all these crazy expectations like I did in season one of Picard. I just want a decent story that makes actual sense and give our iconic characters a worthy goodbye (but expect to see some of them back ;)). I never thought we would ever have them all back like this again. I never thought I would see Stewart play Picard again. It doesn’t have to be TNG directly but if it’s not in the spirit of that show then I don’t know what is the point?

And I agree I don’t want Spiner playing another Soong (ugh). The last one was just awful. I didn’t mind Alton Soong in first season and I thought that would be sticking around the rest of the time after they turned Picard into a robot, but I guess not. Maybe he will return if we don’t get Data again. But I think Data will show up too, just maybe through flashbacks or something like season one did.

Outside of the movies I have never really owned any Star Trek episodes. It’s crazy thinking about it now but I guess because it’s always been on TV and that’s just how I watched it. I would record my favorite episodes back when VCRs were a thing lol. But even now I think about getting all of it on DVD/Blu Ray because as you said you never know. But that’s costly. Not so much today but still up there. But If I really had to, I would probably just buy the classic shows, TOS-ENT and maybe all the movies (I would have to think really hard about TMP and Nemesis though lol). Wouldn’t bother with the new shows.

I hear you about Neelix. I always liked him personally but to be honest I love basically all the characters. Voyager I love them all man. Always have. But if I have to choose my favorites are Janeway (obviously), Seven, the Doctor and Tuvok. I’m excited Chakotay will be back on Prodigy! It’s much easier to tell you who I don’t like than who I do, at least the classic shows. The newer ones it’s still up and down for some, mostly in Discovery.

Oh and I did watch the Enterprise episode Strange New World again! Not my favorite but always liked it. It’s incredible how much I love this show today. Maybe I will feel the same way about Discovery in 20 years lol.

Anyway I always like talking to you because we always get deep in the weeds about Star Trek lol. And have generally the same tastes.

I enjoy talking to you too, Tiger2. We respect each other because we understand where we’re coming from since we both lived through Star Trek’s original Golden Age back in the ’90s. We can have nice normal conversations and share our mutual love for Star Trek without it turning into a fight and that’s refreshing. Most of the people that reply back to me just want to argue to argue. They can’t just have a nice time talking about Star Trek like you and I do. I love the Enterprise, wholeheartedly 💖! I fell in love with the TOS Enterprise when I was 12 and then I fell in love with the Enterprise-E too 💖. I love all of the Enterprises but those are my top two, with TOS Enterprise first, of course 🙂. My love has never changed for Star Trek. It just grows because I see everywhere how much love and joy it brings to everybody and it just makes my heart swell. I totally agree with you too, Tiger2, about wanting a decent story in Picard season 3. I am right there with you. I also agree about Brent Spiner. I did like A.I. Soong in season 1 but, last season, that character, that other Soong, was just so bad. The least said about him the better. As for him possibly playing Data again, I’m not sure about that happening. We could see him, maybe 🤞, in a flashback. I think we’re gonna see Tasha Yar as well next season, briefly. It wouldn’t be a proper sendoff without the whole crew there and that’s why I even think we’ll see Wesley one more time in the series finale. I do think that if Brent Spiner’s not Data though, then he could be B-4. I know a real lot of people did not like that character but Data’s program was downloaded into him and I know he shut down because it overloaded him but maybe they could bring him back somehow? Or even Lore? Maddox took Lore from the Daystrom Institute and nobody knows what he did with him. I know Maddox said he was destroyed but there’s no telling if he was telling the truth or not so it’s possible that Lore could come back. We’ll see 🙂. Also, when I mentioned the characters I liked on Voyager, I forgot to mention Seven. See, now that I own it, I like all of the characters, except for Neelix. I love seeing how the characters grow over the years, like Torres and Seven. When I was a teenager, I did like Seven but that was because I had a crush on her. As an adult, I’ve watched her story on Voyager and I love how she wanted to regain her humanity and the struggle that that brought to her. I just love it, man. The same goes for B’Elanna as well. She always struggled with her Klingon side and she fought so hard to maintain a balance between being human and being Klingon and I admired that about her. Yes, I love the Doctor as 🙂. I wouldn’t be signed up for Robert Picardo’s YouTube channel if I didn’t like the Doctor. There are very few characters that I don’t like in Star Trek. Even though I don’t like Neelix, I can still watch the episodes that have him as a big part in it and enjoy them, like the episode with the Ferengi from the Alpha Quadrant in it. I think he was great in that 😊 and he was pretty funny too. I like Ethan Phillips. He’s a nice guy and he was pretty funny on this old comedy show called Benson. Him and Rene Auberjonois were both really good in that show but Robert Guillaume (he played Benson.) stole that show, of course, since he was the main character. I had a VCR myself growing up. That’s how I was able to tape the episodes and watch them over and over again when I was a kid. But once I started working, I was able to pick up the box sets. The prices weren’t too steep. What I would do when I was younger is buy the sets used at F.Y.E where people trade them in to get credit or cash. So TOS would cost $50 new but when someone traded it in, it only costed half of what it was originally, so it was $25 instead of $50. And they check the discs to make sure there’s no scratches on them so I didn’t have to worry about that . So that’s how I got my hands on the Star Trek shows over the years. But when I got my stimulus check a couple of years back, I wanted to sink it back into … Read more »

Yeah I fully agree about the 90s being the Golden age of Star Trek. That was such a fun time to be a fan and watching it still very young with other friends. That was the same decade both the 25th and 30th year of the franchise which still feels like the biggest anniversaries so far since they dropped the ball hard on the 50th (but the 55th anniversary was decent since we had so many shows again at least). The 90s were a special time for me both growing up and as a fan.

Of course I like the new age too. As much as I complain about Discovery and Picard, it’s still great we have these shows. I have said many times over I do like the direction Star Trek has gone in today and always wanted shows in multiple time periods and formats, simply the execution could be better. But as a Star Trek fan, it’s exciting today too. And I think SNW is the first show that has really excited me in a long long time. But I still want new shows to go forward like PIC, LDS and PRO and hope we eventually get shows that take place in another galaxy or even universe. It doesn’t have to happen anytime soon, but hopefully some day. I thought maybe Discovery would be taking place in a new galaxy next year but not quite!

As for Voyager you forgot Seven and I forgot B’Elanna lol. Also another favorite of mine. She’s basically an inverse of Worf and hope to see her back on a show too. Maybe Picard next season but not holding my breath. I really want to see Janeway back in live action more than anything. But I think Voyager still has the most diverse cast out of all the shows even today, both in universe of characters and casting. It had the most aliens on the show, a hologram, Borg and the first female captain. In terms of casting Voyager had the most people of color and it was great to have so many women not in charge like Janeway and B’Elanna but in science and engineering fields along with Seven, which we didn’t have much the prior 3 shows.

Wow you definitely have a lot of box sets lol. If it wasn’t for streaming, sure I would probably have them now since Star Trek isn’t on TV like it used to be. Of course a big part of that is due to streaming. But I haven’t bought a blu ray in over a decade now. I own a Blu Ray player but I can’t tell you the last time I used it lol. Blu Rays are crazy cheep today. I remember back in 2005 walking into a target and there was an entire Star Trek collection you can buy in DVD. It was the all the shows from TOS to ENT and all 10 movies. It was nearly a thousand dollars man lol. It sounded great at the time but the price sounded insane even back then. Now you can probably get all of that for about half of the price and that includes the TNG and TOS Blu Rays. So stuff has come down a lot as you shown.

But even if I wanted to buy actual physical media I’m not sure if I would buy disks. I would probably just buy the digital versions. I know that sort of negates the idea of ‘physical’ media but it makes more sense to me since 99% of the time I watch things digitally today. And its just like streaming where it’s on every device you own. I DID think about buying all 13 films like about a year or two ago since the shows were everywhere. But the fans were more elusive and didn’t really have a home. And you could buy all of them in around $100 and the Kelvin movies in 4K, etc.

But now they have made their home on Paramount+ so I have lost interest of buying them lol. And stuff like TMP and FC is in 4K now (but no interest in TMP, I couldn’t even get through the first 20 minutes of that movie when it arrived in 4K a few months ago).

Anyway OK I think it’s time to end this conversation. It’s gotten waaaaay off topic lol. I feel we are starting to take over this board and I don’t want to do that. But I am pretty good at being off topic in every board here. So this will be my last post on the subject. You don’t have to write back. If you do, I’ll read it obviously but won’t respond because we’ve shared enough here.

Thanks for the conversation!

I understand, Tiger2 👍. I’ve enjoyed talking to you too. I can’t talk neither I’m watching a Remington Steele marathon with my wife. And I completely understand where your coming from about TMP.

I fall asleep myself while watching it because of how long and slow it is😄😀. Take care and live long and prosper, Tiger2 🖖

because it was Michael Chabon’s story. Sir Patrick had a say but not as much as like he did in season 2

And…there’s the explanation for the drop in quality between the two seasons, right there.

Stewart is a phenomenal actor, but his record as an actor is decidedly mixed. He had a similar “say” in STAR TREK “did notice how my boobs are firming up” INSURRECTION.

Before inserting yourself into a conversation, The River Temarc, then you should make sure that you have your facts straight. One, we weren’t “ragging” (my word, not yours.)on the quality of Picard, we were discussing Laris and how they’re gonna wrap up her storyline in season 3 and once I told Tiger2 about how Orla Brady (Laris) is only in the first two episodes, he said why even bring her back then? Then we discussed and speculated about what might happen in season 3 between Picard and Beverly Crusher since Laris is gone early in the season. And, two, the only time the quality of Picard was mentioned was at the end of our conversation where we both agreed that we like the first two seasons of TNG over the first two seasons of Picard and that’s true, Picard is a dark show to watch but it does have its audience.

But that’s just a part of the conversation that you’re chiming in on, even though you didn’t read ALL of the replies. And the second part of your comment makes no sense to me. Here’s the quote that threw me for a loop: “Stewart is a phenomenal actor, but his record as an actor is decidedly mixed”, what does that even mean? Sir Patrick has chosen some great stuff outside of Star Trek.

He likes to broaden himself rather than just staying in the same box, what’s wrong with that? He was great as Charles Xavier. He was great in Green Room with Anton Yelchin. He was great in Jeffrey back in the ’90s and Robin Hood: Men In Tights.

And he’s in numerous different animated franchises, BIG animated franchises. So I don’t understand what you mean? But, hey, to each their own, dude. As for Insurrection, well, of course he had a say in it.

He had a say in Picard’s story in ALL the movies, starting with Generations. Same thing with Brent Spiner. They both gained more creative control over their characters in the movies and that’s why all 4 movies were always focused on Picard and Data. Everybody knows that and as for Insurrection, I loved it ❤️!

I saw it about 7 or 8 times at the movies because I was working at a movie theater back then when I was 19 and I could go see any movie I wanted for free. My boss also gave me a big poster display that was in the front lobby of the theater for Insurrection and it lit up and that was so cool! I carried that sucker home on my shoulder, 12:00 am at night, about half a mile to my Mom’s house because it was so gorgeous and it was Star Trek and the Enterprise-E was on it and every day I got to wake up looking at the Enterprise-E, much like I do now. The only difference now is my wife would not let me have a big huge promotional display like the Insurrection one I had when I was 19.

Instead, I’ve got Eaglemoss models all over our house. I don’t believe in “ragging” on Star Trek, dude. I love Star Trek and have since I was 12 back in 1991 during the 25th anniversary. I try to point out the positives of the franchise, not the negatives.

Yes, there are negative aspects to Star Trek but that’s neither here nor there to me because Star Trek gets enough criticism as it is from the rest of the fandom and I’m not one who’s on that bandwagon. All Star Trek has done is bring me joy so why should I knock it?

Live long and prosper, The River Temarc 🖖

Suit yourself, but I really liked Laris and Picard, and McFadden/Crusher has always bored me to tears. In terms of the characters, I wouldn’t wish that boring marriage on a retired Picard. Laris is someone that fits him better — she is interesting, compelling and perfect for him.

And I am EXTREMELY SKEPTICAL that having McFadden trying to do convincing scenes related to renewing her love interest in Picard would come across as genuine — I worry that it would be unconvincing, awkward, and funny for the wrong reasons — she simply does not have the acting chops to pull it off. Don’t get me wrong, she’s a nice lady and good at conventions, but let’s not get carried away and give a character that has always had a small part FOR A REASON an unneeded, larger role in a hugely important season that is going to make or break the view of whether the Picard series was successful or not.

And I don’t think as many fans would be as excited to see this happen as you seem to believe. See Temporal Orel’s post above…I think the fan opinions on this would be all over the place and not the slam-dunk that you and the other dude here seem to think would be the case.

We’ll agree to disagree. I love Beverly and Gates McFadden! If they don’t get together, fine, but I don’t see any problems if they did. And I think long time fans will love it!

You tell him, Tiger2 🙂👍🖖!

Agreed (to disagree). And it’s freaking hilarious how that other dude gave you a big “atta boy” on me by responding to you on this. LMFAO :-))

Just to clarify Crusher is in *at least* six episodes because Gates confirmed she had dubbing for the season’s first six episodes. When fan posted that he was so happy she was in six episodes, Terry Matalas responded by saying “maybe even more….” My guess is given she’s in almost every episode.

Agreed Tim! She’s probably in more. She was only talking about dubbing the first six episodes. I hope she is in all ten of them! :)

I know about the six episode tweet, Tim R. Thank you. And you’re right, she could be in even more episodes. My whole thing is if she plays that prominent of a role in season 3 where it only needs to be her and Sir Patrick at SDCC then the story for season 3 must be a personal one for Picard and her.

We know from Terry Matalas that they’re introducing some new characters on Picard this year that are tied to this new mysterious ship that we’ve been seeing pictures of for so long now so why aren’t any of them going to SDCC to be introduced to us? That’s why I’m saying this is gonna be a personal story for Jean-Luc and Beverly and there’s gonna be some other reason attached to Beverly’s return because Jean-Luc hasn’t seen her in almost 20 years now and she just comes back out of the blue one day like one of those women from one of his Dixon Hill stories. And there’s a reason for it but we won’t get an inkling of that at SDCC because they’re probably just gonna unveil another teaser there. We won’t get the full Picard season 3 trailer until either Star Trek: Las Vegas or Star Trek Day.

I wish we’d get the trailer at ComicCon but that is definitely not going to happen. Live long and prosper, Tim R 🖖.

Is it too much to ask for Beverly to have an alien sex candle boyfriend this time around?

Awwwww, you didn’t go there 😄!! You should know, I’m a Dr.Crusher fan and Sub Rosa is one of my favorite TNG episodes because it’s a horror story and I like the horror story episodes in Star Trek. But if you don’t like it, that’s okay. That’s why TNG has 176 episodes.

There’s something there for everybody 🙂😊. Live long and prosper, M1701 🖖.

Sub Rosa is one of your favorite episodes? Wow, as I said somewhere here, you will find fans for everything. That’s great though.

I won’t go into a long diatribe but I do have a funny Sub Rosa story. I was in college at the time and trying to get a girl I was seeing into Star Trek. She liked sci fi stuff but never Star Trek; knew noting about it outside the basics. But I kept pushing her to give it a try and saying how amazing TNG was as a show and all of that. It took about two months but she finally agreed she would give it a chance when the next new episode came on.

Take a guess WHAT new episode was on that week? Yep, Sub #@$ Rosa lol. Obviously I was going in blind at the time. I remember sitting there with her watching it and Beverly was having an orgasm on the damn TV screen. I was almost embarrassed. My girlfriend kept looking at me and said, ‘this is why you like Star Trek so much, because it’s soft porn? Is that why you wanted me to watch it so badly?” I had to convince her that that was NOT a typical episode. I didn’t know what the hell it was to be honest lol.

Of course she understood and gave it another chance with the next one and it was better, MUCH better. She started watching the show more after that. But man, that was an AWFUL first impression!

I’m gonna keep my reply short, Tiger2. That does sound embarrassing. My wife doesn’t think it’s a bad story. It’s Gothic horror and it was meant to be erotic back then because erotic thrillers, like Basic Instinct, were a big deal back then.

They tried doing an erotic thriller in an almost primetime time slot. I think Gates did the best she could with the story she had. Like I said, I like Sub Rosa for two reasons. One, it’s one of the very few episodes to have a major focus on Beverly.

And two, it’s a horror story, an adult Gothic horror story and I liked it because of that. Just like I like Catspaw, What Are Little Girls Made Of?, Miri. I like the other other horror themed shows too in the franchise but I can’t remember all their names right now because there’s so many of them. But that’s why I like Sub Rosa because it’s a good horror story to me.

Just like a lot of fans like A Fistful Of Datas but I don’t because it’s basically “Spectre Of The Gun” done over again on a holodeck this time instead of a planet. Sub Rosa reminds me of like an Anne Rice story, like The Witching Hour from her. That story is about a family called the Mayfair’s and they’re witches and they have a ghostly entity connected to them called Lasher. I am a big horror fan so I really love it when they do horror in Star Trek. And I still think Sub Rosa is a good horror story for Star Trek but we can agree to disagree, right 🙂?

Live long and prosper, Tiger2 🖖

Oh yeah Gates McFadden gave it her all lol. I can’t fault her one bit. She was fully committed and did a great job even if it the episode gets a lot of slack today. And it’s Star Trek, there are a lot of questionable stories. Nimoy walked around without a brain in an episode, your job is to commit to the part no matter how bad. Every show has them.

I do understand what they were going for but I do feel just missed the mark. In fact I watched it for the first time in years for my grand rewatch of the franchise last year and I thought maybe it’s been awhile and I’ll come around to it. Because I was watching everything chronologically and a lot of bad episodes from ENT and TOS weren’t as bad as I remembered them (like Spock’s Brain for example) when I finally saw them again. NOT great lol, still mostly bad, just not as horrible as I remembered some of them.

Unfortunately Sub Rosa was still as bad as I remembered it. Now I’m not a horror fan at all. It was a reason I didn’t like the SNW Gorn episode much (but also just feeling like a complete rip off to Alien). But story wise it was OK, it just felt a little too out of place for Star Trek IMO. And I was surprised just how far they pushed it sexually…at least for Star Trek. But if you like Gothic horror like you do, it probably registers differently. And yes we can agree to disagree!

And when it comes to TNG, for me the good faaar outweigh the bad (unlike Discovery lol) so it’s not a big deal. It’s 176 stories, there is not 176 of anything that doesn’t have some duds here and there even if you still liked Sub Rosa.

Yeah, Tiger2, I understand and hear you about Sub Rosa. I’m not here to convert anyone to it 🙂. I know a lot of people don’t like it.

But it’s the mood and the atmosphere that I like about it. It’s dark and stormy in it and the candle light 🕯️ glowing in Beverly’s cottage. The candle is supposed to represent an item that’s possessed and the entity within it is draining Dr.Crusher’s life force from her, just like he’s done to the other female members of the Howard family for years. There’s all types of possession stories in Star Trek.

I can always find something to like in even the worst episodes of Star Trek, except for Turnabout Intruder. That’s just horrible! That’s much worse to me than Sub Rosa ever could be and that’s another possession story right there. Everybody has different tastes.

Like I told you before, I do like the first and second seasons of TNG. The Big Goodbye is a great episode that I really like a lot and that’s in the first season. I like “Remember Me” from season 4 of TNG, another great Dr.Crusher episode for me, but there are people who don’t like it simply because Wesley saves the day in it. Voyager is another one that has a lot of silly episodes in it, like where Harry Kim asks Seven out on a date and he winds up getting nervous because he thinks that he’s gonna be Seven’s first sexual experience since becoming human again.

Or how about the episode with the Irish bar that winds up believing that Tom Paris is a warlock because they catch him doing “magic”? Or how about the episode that had Harry leave Voyager to live on a ship full of succubuses who were draining him of his life force, gee, sounds familiar? That sounds a lot like Sub Rosa just gender-flipped. Or how about the Enterprise episode where Trip gets pregnant?

That’s a pretty bad Star Trek story and episode right there but there are people who like it. Star Trek is different things to different people. One episode I like you might not like and vice versa and that’s what makes Star Trek so beautiful and so fun to watch and that’s what makes our fandom so great is the diverseness of it from all of the different stories that exist within it 🙂. Live long and prosper, Tiger2 🖖.

No worries Johnny. And yes there are plenty of other bad Star Trek episodes (and fully agree Turnabout Intruder is much MUCH worse lol). And of course I agree, people can like different things. In fact I think I told you in another thread a month or so ago I love both A Night in Sickbay and Move Along Home while they have been ridiculed by the fandom overall. But you’re also talking to someone who never had a problem with the Enterprise opening theme song. ;)

So yes other fans can enjoy things that goes against the grain from time to time. And I actually enjoy a lot of the first two season episodes of TNG rewatching the entire series last year. Compared to Picard’s god awful first two seasons, those seasons now look like Emmy winners. ;)

Thanks, Tiger2 🙂👍! I do love the first two seasons of TNG a lot more, waaay waaay more, than I do Picard. They have their flaws but I still love them. I also mentioned to you before that I too love Move Along Home and A Night In Sickbay.

I love Porthos period ❤️! I love watching him eat cheese. He reminds me of myself and how I am with cheese 🧀😄😆! Like I said before, I love Star Trek so I do my best to try and accept all of it, even the stuff I don’t like, because I’m a Trekkie and if I’m gonna say that then I should know what I’m talking about, right? But this doesn’t mean that I’m gonna watch an episode that I don’t like over and over again either.

I do rewatches myself and during those rewatches, that’s usually when I include the episodes I don’t like in my rewatch, like Turnabout Intruder. But that episode is just so hard to watch, man 😄, really 😂! I would much rather watch Trip get pregnant again before I rewatch Captain Kirk turn into Janice Lester again 😄! I like the Enterprise theme myself, Tiger2.

I didn’t like it at first. It wasn’t orchestral enough for me. But because I watch Enterprise all the time now on Paramount+ and the Heroes & Icons TV channel, the theme has grown on me a lot and it does symbolize exactly what the show was about. I know saying this is like treasonous to the hardcore Trekkies but my time is limited on this world because of my medical condition so that doesn’t bother me.

We can’t live for other people. We can only live for ourselves or our families 🙂. Oh, and, Tiger2, this will be my last message to you. I know you said that you didn’t want to keep posting on here yesterday but we both keep the conversation going, don’t we 🙂?

LOL yeah we’re doing it again!!

So yeah OK, I won’t respond to this other then we are in full agreement. We both seem to have the same positive view of most Trek but have no problems citing the stuff we hate or dislike. And the stuff I hate I don’t want it cancelled, just improved like past shows and films. That’s a healthy way to look at it IMO.

Anyway, said enough. Maybe this thread can get back to actually discussing Comic Con again. ;)

I would prefer to see a miniseries based around Beverly Crusher and her candle.😉

LOL^2. There is a reason Sub Rosa pops up on so many “worst episodes of TNG” lists.

Can someone please give me those 47 minutes of my life back? :-))

Surprise! Dr. Crusher is pregnant!! Didn’t see that coming, did you, Jean Luc?

Picturing Tom Hardy in a motion capture suit with a corresponding CGI toddler playing Picard’s son.

😄😄😄😄! All kidding aside though, it would be a fitting ending for Picard if he got a family. Maybe him and Crusher tried to make a go at things and it just wouldn’t work because of their careers and, BAM, Crusher got pregnant and never told Jean-Luc about it? That could’ve happened. Perhaps we’ll get an inkling at what’s going on at SDCC?

Live long and prosper, Phil 🖖

I wonder if we’ll get an official Starfleet Academy announcement either at SDCC or at the big Star Trek Day event which is when we’ll probably get a teaser for SNW season2 and a full trailer for Picard

It would be crazy we get a teaser for SNW season 2 this soon but yeah it’s possible. And we definitely are getting a trailer for Picard. Originally I thought that would be for Star Trek day but I keep forgetting about the CC stuff until someone announces it lol.

It’s been suggested for a while now that there are enlisted among the Starfleet ranks. So, Starfleet: Basic Training, anyone???

I do think we are going to get some announcement of new future series’ especially given Picard S3 is the end, and DSC will likely sunset after S6 or S7. I would really live to see Kurtzman present a long term plan, Kevin Faige-style. For example, perhaps a Section 31 series would be the final “Phase I” series, and then a Starfleet Academy series and TOS 2.0 series would kickoff a “Phase II?”

I’m excited for all three of these panels, especially LDS and PIC. I have not been a huge Picard fan to say the least but season 3 HAS to be good. Normally having the entire TNG cast back would be bar none the best news for me in the last 20 years easily. Now, I am bit nervous but as Phlox likes to say, optimism!! And I know this is a super super long shot but maybe they will hint to what’s next after Picard in terms of a new 25th century show! Matalas already hinted season 3 will be a back door spin off show being set up in the season! Paging Captain Worf or Captain Seven!

As for LDS, it’s weird it’s not starting sooner but I suspect we’ll get a trailer for that too (oddly haven’t gotten one yet lol). Maybe one will come before CC but I suspect we will get one but just excited to hear about the season!

I’m guessing we will get news about season 2 of SNW, but I don’t expect anything major. I have a feeling most of it will just be discussing season one, which will be fun too. But we heard complete bumpkins about season 1 until 2 months before season 1 aired. We didn’t even get the trailer until 6 weeks until it started, so I don’t see anything major happening here this soon.

I don’t think Lower Decks is starting until the fall, Tiger2. Jack Quaid was probably filming The Boys season 3 when they were getting ready to work on Lower Decks season 3 so they may have pushed the show forward just a little bit. We’re supposed to get five more Prodigy episodes before Lower Decks starts. Remember they wanted to rotate them?

Picard, Prodigy, SNW, then it’s supposed to be Prodigy again, and then Lower Decks. But I haven’t heard when the next five Prodigy episodes are coming. Now I’m hearing it might be in the fall and that might be because Prodigy just started on Nickelodeon so maybe they want to run through the 10 episodes we’ve already seen before going any further with the new episodes. Just wanted to give you a heads up, Tiger2.

Of course, I could be wrong and Lower Decks could be starting in two weeks but I doubt it because there hasn’t been any promotion of the new season and if it was coming soon, I think Wil Wheaton would’ve mentioned it in his Ready Room show and he didn’t. Another reason they might’ve postponed season 3 for a little bit longer too might be because Jack Quaid is filming The Boys season 4 right now too so they couldn’t get started on season 4 of Lower Decks if they wanted to and you know that Mike McMahan likes to keep the ship rolling once they get into pre-production. So they probably had to push the show forward just a little bit to fit Jack Quaid’s schedule.

I thought it was already confirmed LDS was coming out this summer? Trekmovie mentioned it a few weeks ago IIRC. But yeah you’re also right there has been little to no marketing beyond a teaser trailer released in April. And man I almost forgot about Prodigy lol. But if that was the next one showing, why would they show a LDS clip on Ready Room and not Prodigy? And why only 5 episodes and not the entire 10 left?? But yeah, we’ll see. It is weird nothing has been officially announced so there may be some more delays.

Honestly I don’t mind a break. It just means I’ll be watching more Star Trek reruns in the mean time, you can never go wrong with that. ;)

I don’t know why they would show the LDS clip first because it is supposed to be Prodigy next. I missed that. I’m gonna have to rewatch the Ready Room now. And the reason why only 5 episodes is because that’s what they’ve been doing to stretch out that 20 episode first season they did.

We got 5 back in November/December and then it was winter break and then we got five more before Picard and then Picard and SNW and nothing. Maybe they are just gonna show all 10 in one clump because there’s no Discovery this upcoming season. Their just starting to shoot season 5 of that so there won’t be any Discovery until next spring probably. Discovery season 5 will probably come on after SNW season 2.

You try to keep track of these shows and it’s impossible, you know 🙂😄. I do hope Lower Decks comes on soon though otherwise I’ll just spend the hot summer nights watching me some T’Pol, baby 😄🙂😃! Live long and prosper Tiger2 🖖.

Tiger2 has it right. Lower Decks is announced for this summer.

Prodigy S1, part two, has been on the schedule for this fall since the part one finale in January.

You may be muddling the Nickelodeon cable release of part one of S1, which is imminent and will run through the summer. Just in time to make the kids ask their parents to subscribe for Paramount+ to get part two in the fall.

Prodigy started on Nickelodeon July 8th. As stated above by myself and Tiger2, there has been no release date confirmed for Lower Decks yet. And yes, I do know that Prodigy is in the fall now and I believe that’s because that Paramount wants Nickelodeon to go through the 10 episodes that there are and then when the next 10 come out, they would air on Nickelodeon and Paramount+ simultaneously. Paramount+ is no longer the exclusive home for Prodigy and starting with season 2, it can only be watched on Nickelodeon, which is how it was supposed to be anyways.

What this means for the Paramount+ viewers that like Prodigy, I don’t know because I’m not paying for cable or paying for another app just so that I can watch one show, know what I mean? So that’s what’s going on with Prodigy. LDS I think is coming in September, not August. There’s no Discovery this year.

So what we’re getting this year for shows is LDS, Prodigy, Picard, and SNW with Discovery not coming until next summer. But they still have not released a release date for LDS season 3 and everybody’s assuming it’s coming in August because that’s the way it’s been. But that’s the way it’s been because Jack Quaid wasn’t working on The Boys. He filmed season 3 last winter and yes, that could’ve pushed production on LDS forward a little bit.

Just like he’s filming The Boys season 4 right now so that may push production of season 4 of LDS forward a little bit. I have not seen a release date and neither has Tiger2 and that’s what we were talking about. It just said that LDS season 3 is coming summer 2022. Well, guess what?

Summer goes all the way into September. It’s not the first day of Fall until September 22nd. So LDS could come out in September and it would still be summer. But, like I said also, I could be wrong and maybe it comes out in two weeks?

We’ll just have to wait and see, right🙂? Live long and prosper, TG47 🖖.

While the production schedule for The Boyz is intense, Quaid did some of his season two voice work for LDS from Toronto, and could have done so again. More voice work is in the early part of production in animation.

Wrong, Jack Quaid wasn’t working on The Boys while doing Lower Decks season 2 and it’s “Boys” with an “S”, not a “Z”. I wanted to make sure I was spelling it right and I am. The Boyz with a “Z” is a South Korean pop band. Check it out.

Jack Quaid was working on Lower Decks season 2 from his home because I saw him on Star Trek Day 2020, during COVID, and he talked about recording his dialogue in his home closet that he had to have transformed into a recording booth because the recording studio was shut down from COVID. The Boys premiered back in 2019 with the second season premiering in 2020. So that means that Jack Quaid filmed the first season in 2018 and the second season in 2019. He hasn’t filmed anything for The Boys because they’ve been on hiatus.

That’s how he was able to do two seasons of Lower Decks back to back and film Scream (2022) during the pandemic. But they resumed production on The Boys last winter and filmed season 3 and Karl Urban (Dr.McCoy from the Kelvin Universe.) just mentioned on ComicBook.com that they are about to start filming season 4 of The Boys any day now. So Jack Quaid is going to be on location for however long it takes them to shoot season 4 of The Boys. He’s not gonna have the time to do voice-over work and that’s what I mean by pushing the show forward a little bit so that they can accommodate Jack Quaid’s busy schedule.

Jack Quaid had a contract with The Boys long before he had a contract with Lower Decks so The Boys takes priority, of course. The Boys season 4 might even mess up the next Star Trek movie since Karl Urban needs to be on location for it and they wanted to start shooting on that this December but Karl Urban doesn’t know if he’ll be available because he’ll be on location for The Boys. So now that movie might get moved forward again too. Do some investigating on your own and you’ll find out all the same stuff that I just told you.

It’s all out there and pretty easy to find. Live long and prosper, TG47 🖖.

100% correct. LDS most likely staring in late August/early September, Prodigy in the fall, and then my educated guess would put Picard somewhere in the Oct-Feb timeframe, with SNW up again in the winter, and the DSC up again in the Spring.

I really don’t care about any of the new series. Just announce DS9 HD and I can die a happy man. Please.

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The power and importance of diversity and representation was the common theme to emerge from the Star Trek Universe panel on Thursday for the virtual fan convention Comic-Con @Home. While the nearly 80-minute super-panel was light on actual news, the casts of the CBS All Access series “Star Trek: Discovery” and “ Star Trek: Picard ” used the opportunity to drive home how the “Star Trek” theme of infinite diversity in infinite combinations is as relevant in 2020 as it was when Gene Roddenberry’s show first premiered in 1966. To that end, the panel promoted the NAACP’s Legal Defense and Educational Fund, to which CBS All Access made a donation.

Meanwhile, the cast and creator of the new animated comedy series “Star Trek: Lower Decks” introduced their irreverent characters for the first time, as well as debuting a first look at the show.

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The only solid piece of news arrived during the panel’s introduction from Alex Kurtzman and Heather Kadin, executive producers of all three “Trek” shows and the overall creative impresarios of the growing “Trek” TV universe. Kadin revealed that the animated “Trek” series for kids currently in development for Nickelodeon with producers Kevin and Dan Hageman (“Trollhunters,” “Ninjago”) will be titled “Star Trek: Prodigy.” Kadin also introduced the logo for the new series; while she offered no further details, in a release, Nickelodeon revealed that the show will follow “a group of lawless teens who discover a derelict Starfleet ship and use it to search for adventure, meaning and salvation,” and that it will debut in 2021.

Otherwise, there were no big announcements coming out of the “Star Trek” Universe panels. The premiere date for season 3 of “Discovery,” which wrapped production well before the COVID-19 pandemic, remains vaguely in the latter half of 2020, and the cast of “Picard” barely talked at all about what to expect from season 2 of the show, which has yet to go into production.

Still, there were some fun pieces of information to glean from each panel. Here are the highlights.

“Star Trek: Discovery”

The bulk of the panel for CBS All Access’ flagship “Trek” series was taken up with a live reading from the teaser and first act of the season 2 finale, featuring 18 actors from the episode, as well as director Olatunde Osunsanmi and executive producer and co-showrunner Michelle Paradise. The sequence almost entirely involves a massive battle in space, so the reading was supplemented with storyboards and unfinished visual effects from the episode.

Once the episode concluded, several members of the regular “Discovery” cast spoke at length about how “Discovery” will continue to model a future based on values of meritocracy and egalitarianism.

“‘Star Trek’ … is always meant to imagine a future and a world in which people are valued for who they are, the content of their character, not the color of their skin, not their gender, not their gender expression, not their age,” said Anthony Rapp, who plays Paul Stamets, the first openly gay main character in “Trek” TV history. “In this explosive time it seems more resonant now than ever that we help shine a light on all those issues.”

Wilson Cruz (Hugh Culber) noted that “Trek” has always provided an aspirational model for what society could be in the future. “So I think going into season 3, we have an opportunity to really have a conversation about the world we want to create, and how each of us has a responsibility to create it together,” he said.

While “Discovery’s” lead, Sonequa Martin-Green (Michael Burnham), echoed that sentiment, she also noted that the world of “Star Trek” is far from perfect, which only demonstrates “that the work is not done, that it’s about confronting ourselves and really confronting each other.”

“What’s going to propel us forward is confronting ourselves truthfully and confronting each other,” she continued. “So I hope in our iteration that we contribute moments to the movement in that way.”

Other than acknowledging that the crew of the Discovery ended season 2 by jumping a millennium into the future, there were only a few other morsels of information about what to expect from season 3. Martin-Green said that she hopes Burnham will be “finding that perfect, sweet, sweet balance between all the forces that wage within [her],” to which Paradise said with a knowing smile, “Maybe you’ll explore that in season 3, we don’t know.”

Rapp and Cruz said the season will continue to explore the romantic relationship between their characters, with Rapp emphasizing the theme of family, and Cruz noting that Culber (who came back from the dead in season 2) is a much more “three dimensional” character in season 3.

Michelle Yeoh said that her character, the formidable warrior Philippa Georgiou, starts season 3 “really pissed off” that she’s been pulled into the future, but that she gets over it quickly. “She is one who always finds her way into adapting, because she is a survivor with many skills,” Yeoh said. “Power is something that inherently that she has. She doesn’t even seek it. She just has it.”

The panel concluded with actors Ethan Peck (Spock), Anson Mount (Christopher Pike), and Rebecca Romijn (Number One) lightly teasing their new show “Star Trek: Strange New Worlds,” set on the U.S.S. Enterprise when Pike was captain. While the show hasn’t started production yet (and likely won’t for many months due to the pandemic), Peck said he expects Spock’s experiences with his human sister Michael Burnham to inform his “conflict between emotion and logic.” Mount, meanwhile, noted that since Pike learned in season 2 of “Discovery” that his character will wind up totally paralyzed, he will have to come to terms with what he can contribute with the time he has.

“Star Trek: Lower Decks”

Striking a far more irreverent tone, creator, executive producer, and showrunner Mike McMahan introduced the first comedy series based in the “Trek” universe, which premieres on CBS All Access on August 6. While issues of diversity and social justice didn’t come up during this panel, it was nonetheless self-evident that the show — with a Black female lead and a Black female captain — lived up to the same “Trek” ideal.

“Lower Decks,” McMahan said, is set in 2380, just after the events of “Star Trek: Nemesis,” but well before the events of “Star Trek: Picard.” Rather than focus yet again on the senior officers commanding a leading starship, the series centers on the junior officers stuck doing the grunt work on the less-than-stellar U.S.S. Cerritos. (The title of the show even comes from the title of an episode of “Star Trek: The Next Generation” which focused on the stories of junior officers on the U.S.S. Enterprise .)

After debuting a first look at the opening scene of the show — in which the straight-laced Ensign Boimler (Jack Quaid) has his leg accidentally sliced open with a Klingon bat’leth — McMahan asked the cast to introduce their characters.

The show’s lead, Tawny Newsome (“Space Force”), said that her character, Ensign Mariner, doesn’t like playing by the rules even though she’s hyper-competent, like “when you’re the class clown because you’re ahead of the lesson in school.”

Quaid (“The Boys”) said Boimler is very much the opposite, a “Starfleet nerd” who goes “as by-the-book as possible.”

Noël Wells (“Master of None”) explained her character, medical officer Ensign Tendi, is the “fresh eyes” on the Cerritos , while Eugene Cordero (“The Good Place”) said that the cybernetically-enhanced Ensign Rutherford is “all about the tech talk.”

The core main cast do wind up interacting with the senior officers on the Cerritos , though they’re not the typical Starfleet officers from previous iterations of “Trek.” Dawnn Lewis (“Veronica Mars”) said that Capt. Freeman is “in control and in charge — and she’s going to make sure everybody knows who’s in charge.” Fred Tatasciore (“Star Wars Resistance”) called security chief Lt. Shaxs a trigger-happy Bajoran “who’s got a chip on his shoulder,” and Gillian Vigman (“New Girl”) described chief medical officer Dr. T’Ana as “crusty, curmudgeony, bitter” alley cat with a “gruff” bedside manner.

Then there’s Jerry O’Connell (“Billions”), who plays first officer Commander Ramson, whom O’Connell says “has a pretty short fuse [and] isn’t the easier person to work for.” McMahan noted that O’Connell’s wife, Rebecca Romijn, is also playing a first officer on a “Star Trek” series.

O’Connell grinned. “We’re also very, very good friends with Jonathan Frakes,” he said, referring to the actor who played first officer Commander Riker on “The Next Generation.” “So man, when the three of us get together, I really should live-stream it for everybody.”

“Star Trek: Picard”

Speaking of Frakes, the panel for the latest “Trek” series served as a bit of a “TNG” reunion, with Frakes joining “TNG” costars Marina Sirtis (Deanna Troi) and Brent Spiner (Data), along with, of course, “TNG” star Patrick Stewart and the rest of the “Picard” cast. Frakes, Sirtis, and Spiner all said they never expected to play their “TNG” roles again after the 2002 film “Star Trek: Nemesis” (though Frakes and Sirtis did reprise the roles for the 2005 series finale of “Star Trek: Enterprise”), and they were thrilled to be able to return to the roles.

“I was just happy, to be honest, that I didn’t have to wear the space suit,” said Sirtis. “I wouldn’t fit in it anymore, so that would be an issue.”

To the at-times visible consternation of moderator Dominic Patten of Deadline, the freewheeling conversation was largely dominated by Sirtis, who teased Stewart about his age, and cheekily scolded the “Picard” actors for gushing over getting to work with Stewart: “Oh, stop it. Stop it! He’s going to be unbearable!”

Spiner, meanwhile, joked (or, at least, appeared to joke) that he was persuaded to return to the role of Data after Kurtzman and showrunner Michael Chabon openly wept when talking to him.

Most of the panel carried on like that, with the actors joking around with each other but otherwise not really betraying any new insights into the making of the previous season or what to expect from season 2. After Alison Pill (Dr. Agnes Jurati) playfully called Stewart “SPS” (i.e. “Sir Patrick Stewart”), several of her co-stars picked up on the nickname during the panel. When Stewart himself mispronounced it as “PCS,” everyone pounced to tease him, leading Stewart to pronounce that he preferred the honorific “P. Stew.”

The panel closed with Patten asking Michelle Hurd (Raffi Musiker) and Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine) what they hoped they could see in the real world that is from the world of “Star Trek,” which lead to an impassioned speech from Hurd.

“The understanding of how valuable life is,” she said. “Can we all look out for our brothers and sisters? Can we all just take the moment to understand that our differences are actually our strengths, and it’s what makes us a strong species, that we all have these different thoughts, these different looks, these different opinions, these different ways of handling ourselves in the world, of walking down the street. I’m so thankful that I’m part of an organization that gets it .”

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Meanwhile, the cast and creator of the new animated comedy series “Star Trek: Lower Decks” introduced their irreverent characters for the first time, as well as debuting a first look at the show.

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Quaid (“The Boys”) said Boimler is very much the opposite, a “Starfleet nerd” who goes “as by-the-book as possible.”

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“I was just happy, to be honest, that I didn’t have to wear the space suit,” said Sirtis. “I wouldn’t fit in it anymore, so that would be an issue.”

Spiner, meanwhile, joked (or, at least, appeared to joke) that he was persuaded to return to the role of Data after Kurtzman and showrunner Michael Chabon openly wept when talking to him.

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Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 5, "Mirrors", reveals new details about the Mirror Universe's history on the ISS Enterprise.
The dedication plaque on the starship sheds light on events in the late-23rd century after "Mirror, Mirror" from TOS season 2.
Burnham and Booker found the ISS Enterprise in interdimensional space and brought it into the 32nd century Prime Universe.

Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 5, "Mirrors", shockingly brought the ISS Enterprise into the 32nd century, and the starship's dedication plaque reveals new details about the Mirror Universe's history. Written by Johanna Lee and Carlos Cisco and directed by Jen McGowan, "Mirrors" brought Captain Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Cleveland Booker (David Ajala) into interdimensional space in pursuit of the next clue to the ancient treasure of the Progenitors, which was hidden aboard the 23rd century ISS Enterprise from the Mirror Universe.

On his X account, Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49), who was a researcher for Star Trek: Picard season 3 renowned for his attention to detail, posted a clear translation of the ISS Enterprise's dedication plaque from Star Trek: Discovery season 5, episode 5 . The illuminated text reveals what happened in the late-23rd century Mirror Universe after the events of Star Trek: The Original Series season 2's "Mirror, Mirror." Read the post below:

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A timeline of star trek's mirror universe, from the terran empire to the temporal wars.

The Mirror Universe was introduced in Star Trek: The Original Series season 2's "Mirror, Mirror" and its canonical history can be tracked through Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Enterprise, and Star Trek: Discovery. The earliest chronological glimpse of the Mirror Universe is on April 5, 2063, when Zephram Cochrane (James Cromwell) murdered a Vulcan after making First Contact in Enterprise 's "In A Mirror, Darkly". In the 22nd century of Star Trek: Enterprise 's Mirror Universe , Commander Jonathan Archer (Scott Bakula) captured the USS Defiant from the 23rd century, but he was betrayed by Hoshi Sato (Linda Park), who declared herself Empress of the Terran Empire.

In the 23rd century of Star Trek: Discovery , the Mirror Universe was ruled by Emperor Philippa Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh). Georgiou jumped to Star Trek 's Prime Universe aboard the USS Discovery after defeating a coup by Gabriel Lorca (Jason Issacs) . The Terran Empire continued unabated, but after Captain James T. Kirk (William Shatner) briefly switched places with his Mirror Universe counterpart, he convinced the Mirror Spock (Leonard Nimoy) to institute reforms to save the Terran Empire from its inevitable collapse.

Refugees fled the Mirror Universe aboard the stolen ISS Enterprise.

Star Trek: Discovery season 5 episode 5 reveals that High Chancellor Spock did change the Terran Empire, but he was assassinated for weakness. Refugees fled the Mirror Universe aboard the stolen ISS Enterprise, thanks to the Mirror Saru (Doug Jones), a rebel leader. The ISS Enterprise's personnel did make it to the Prime Universe. However, in the Mirror Universe, the Terran Empire was conquered by the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance , as detailed in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine . By Star Trek: Discovery 's 32nd century, the Mirror and Prime Universe timelines have split further apart thanks to the Temporal Wars, making crossing over impossible.

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Graphic illustration of Moll standing beside Book in 'Mirrors'

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Previously, in " Face the Strange ," Moll and L'ak unleash a time bug aboard the U.S.S. Discovery, designed to paralyze them and keep them stuck as they're randomly cycled through time. Once they're ahead of Discovery and on to the next clue, they can escape the bounty on their heads and finally be free.

In one time loop, Zora informs Burnham and Rayner one of the outcomes they feared had come to pass — the Breen gained control of the Progenitors' tech and destroyed everything, leading the Kellerun to believe the Breen must be the ex-courier's highest bidder. Thankfully for the crew, they're back in the mix and only lost six hours. Plus, they discovered a warp signature matching Moll and L'ak.

In Episode 5 of Star Trek: Discovery , " Mirrors ," Captain Burnham and Book journey into extra-dimensional space in search of the next clue to the location of the Progenitors' power. Meanwhile, Rayner navigates his first mission in command of the U.S.S. Discovery , and Culber opens up to Tilly.

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Cleveland "Book" Booker
Michael Burnham
Paul Stamets
Sylvia Tilly
William Christopher
Dr. Hugh Culber
Moll (Malinne Ravel)
Breen Primarch

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U.S.S. Discovery -A
Discovery shuttle
I.S.S. Enterprise
Breen warship

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In his quarters aboard the U.S.S. Discovery -A, Cleveland "Book" Booker contemplates advice given to him by his mentor and namesake, "No matter how bad things get, the one thing you always have is a choice." Book gazes at a holo of Moll — real name Malinne Ravel, the daughter of his predecessor — certain that she is capable of turning things around just as he had. Aware that Cleveland Booker IV saved his life, Book believes he owes it to him to do the same for his daughter.

With Discovery at Moll and La'k’s last known coordinates, Book makes his way to the Bridge, where Captain Michael Burnham gives the stage to Commander Paul Stamets and Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly. Though it appeared as if the couriers' ship left a warp trail which disappeared into empty space, adjusting the viewscreen to compensate for the Lorentzian coefficient in high-energy spectra reveals the presence of a fluctuating wormhole. Stamets states that it leads to a pocket of interdimensional space and is collapsing and expanding due to matter-antimatter chain reactions, likely caused by the Burn.

Captain Burnham surmises that the next clue resides within the wormhole, and Tilly notes that Moll and L'ak are probably in there, as well. Lieutenant Gallo, Commander Rayner, and Lieutenant Christopher brief the captain — sensors can’t penetrate the aperture, the opening isn’t large enough to fit Discovery’s saucer, and there’s no guarantee that they’ll be able to maintain comms contact. Burnham nods, ordering Lieutenant Linus to prepare a shuttle with boosted comms and fortified shields before requesting that Lt. Commander Gen Rhys place a security team on standby.

Rayner narrows his gaze towards the viewscreen ahead of him on the bridge of Discovery as Rhys and Linus stand behind him at their stations in 'Mirrors'

"Mirrors"

The captain's declaration that she will accompany Book on the away team draws Rayner's interest, and the two senior officers convene in the Ready Room. The Kellerun first officer expresses his view that he should be the one risking his life to lead the mission. She assures Rayner that she needs him on the ship and refuses to bring additional security with her, citing that the implied threat of armed guards would undermine Book's personal connection to Moll. Recalling the devastating future they had witnessed during the time bug ordeal, Rayner observes that it was only one possible outcome.

Captain Burnham senses there is more to Rayner’s unease and quotes the Ballad of Krul , " Serve it without a grum of osikod ." Though impressed by his captain's reference to Kellerun culture, Rayner still holds back. Burnham theorizes that his concern is related to taking the conn while she's away, and he begrudgingly admits it has been some time since he took the chair from another captain. The first officer makes eye contact, confessing that he doesn’t want his tenuous rapport with the crew to jeopardize the mission. Burnham reassures Rayner that she believes in him, leaving the demoted captain to swallow his protest.

Book joins Burnham to embark on their journey and pilots their shuttle away from Discovery . Relaxation floods the former courier's expression as he notes the craft is "purring like Grudge when she’s killed something." Hoping to emphasize his connection to Moll's father in the event they locate her, Book playfully shifts the conversation to the captain's temporal escapades when the time bug overtook the ship. Burnham makes a "my lips are sealed" gesture, only willing to disclose that she encountered some surprises.

Burnham looks over at Book while navigating a Discovery shuttle in 'Mirrors'

The shuttle approaches the aperture, and Book plans to charge the impulse capacitance cells and release them into the drive coils to give the vessel a boost. Book offers a saying from his own culture, Never return from a hunt without enough bait for the Carrion Reaver . Burnham laughs off the "catchy" phrase, and the shuttle launches toward the wormhole's pulsating light. Turbulence causes the ship to tremble, and a bright flash overwhelms the two occupants.

Commander Rayner observes from the Bridge and is initially greeted by static. Burnham's voice cuts through the interference, informing the first officer that they made it through. Rayner’s relief is short-lived, as Discovery loses the shuttle's comm signal. He orders Stamets to the Science Lab in a bid to boost comms and conveys confidence as he takes the ship to Yellow Alert.

Meanwhile, in the wormhole, exotic matter has rendered the shuttle's sensors and holopadds inoperative. Book and Burnham narrowly dodge debris — "debris is not a good sign" — and spot the smoldering wreckage of Moll and L'ak's ship, or at least half of it. The nebulous environment clouds their vision, and Book wonders if the couriers survived. Burnham stands as she spots another vessel through the murkiness, its I.S.S. markings indicating it originated in the Mirror Universe. Shock envelops the captain's face as she reads its full designation — I.S.S. Enterprise* — and postulates that how the vessel arrived in interdimensional space must be "one heck of a story."

Book sees the Constitution -class starship's battered hull as evidence that it became trapped during a battle, and Burnham declares that it must have been ages ago — crossing from the Mirror Universe has been impossible for centuries. A shipwreck in a hidden wormhole sounds like a secure place to hide the next clue, though the captain is only acquainted with her brother Spock's U.S.S. Enterprise . They glimpse the other half of Moll and L'ak's broken vessel and assume that, if the couriers are alive, they must be on the Terran ship.

In Sickbay, Tilly kneels down as she tracks a conduit in a panel as she looks over her shoulder at Hugh Culber in 'Mirrors'

Back on Discovery , Tilly tracks an EPS conduit to a panel in Sickbay — after having followed it across three decks, including through the quarters of a new ensign who keeps a Cardassian vole as a pet. Sensing that Dr. Hugh Culber feels troubled, Tilly lets him know that she's always available to talk — at least until Stamets chimes in over the comm system to check on the status of her work. Culber maintains that he is fine and promises to find Tilly later, though his demeanor leaves her unconvinced.

In the Science Lab, Stamets notices that Ensign Adira Tal is undergoing some uncertainty of their own while working on their graviton pulse idea. The ensign rechecks their calculations for a third time, prompting the astromycologist to tell them that the time bug was not their fault. Rayner strolls in with confidence and requests an update on attempts to boost the comm signal. Stamets begins to explain, but the commander interrupts and states that he does not need to know how the cake is boiled. Adira is taken aback by the Kellerun culinary insight — Rayner assures them not to knock it until they try it — but Stamets presses forward with a proposal to hold the interdimensional aperture open. Unfortunately, there's a 43.7% chance that a graviton pulse would cause the aperture to close with the captain and Book still inside. Visibly frustrated, the first officer urges them to get the comm signal back.

Phasers drawn, Captain Burnham and Book enter the I.S.S. Enterprise 's bridge, which is adorned with Terran insignia and dimly illuminated by flickering lights and control panels. Intent on using the ship's sensors to track quantum signatures from the Prime Universe in order to locate Moll, L'ak, and the clue, Burnham pauses when she realizes that Book is standing at the science station — her brother's station, at least on the U.S.S. Enterprise . Though she had never met Spock's Mirror counterpart, she assumes he was just as ruthless as the Terrans.

Using a hack Book had previously applied on an Andorian transport ship, the captain successfully accesses the Enterprise 's sensors, and — after the former courier elicits words of praise from her — they detect that the intermix chamber has been ejected from the warp drive, all shuttles and escape pods are gone, the captain's log was erased, and the crew had apparently abandoned ship. Evacuation is a last resort in Terran culture, but the starship's damage was not terminal. The situation leaves them puzzled, but they turn their attention to the three Prime quantum signatures located in Sickbay — Moll, L'ak, and the clue.

En route to their quarry, Burnham and Book spy bedding, blankets, clothes, and other objects one wouldn't expect to find on a warship strewn about in the transporter room. Book gets a glimpse of the I.S.S. Enterprise 's dedication plaque, which itself bears an unorthodox phrase for Terrans, " Light of hope shines through even the darkest of nights. " The inscription describes the starship’s story, and Book relays that the new Terran High Chancellor had been killed while trying to make reforms. The crew mutinied, escaped, and attempted to shuttle refugees from the Mirror Universe into the Prime Universe, and a Kelpien slave-turned-rebel leader helped them. As she listens to the tale, Burnham picks up a locket and places a piece of her uniform inside of it. The mention of the Kelpien — likely Mirror Saru — catches her attention, and she supposes the crew fled when the ship got stuck within the aperture.

Moll and L'ak stand directly across from Book and Burnham, all tense with phasers drawn, in Sickbay of the I.S.S. Enterprise in 'Mirrors'

The pair continue on and move through the Terran ship's sparking corridors, only to be confronted by a batch of Moll and L'ak holo-doubles whose phasers are pointed toward Sickbay's entrance. Unable to determine which Moll and L'ak figures are real or target the room's holo emitter from their location, Book and Burnham rush their opponents and dodge a storm of phaser fire. They take out several holographic doubles before striking Sickbay's emitter, and the two couriers' true forms are revealed. Everyone heads for cover, but Burnham's diplomatic appeals don’t sway Moll or L'ak.

Book steps out from his concealed position. The captain follows with her phaser up, but Book tries to relate to Moll via their shared connection with her father. Moll grimaces with pain and anger as she states that Cleveland Booker IV was garbage, and L'ak holds up their bargaining chip — a device containing the next clue. Moll pitches a compromise; if she and L'ak are given a ride out of interdimensional space, they’ll let Starfleet replicate the clue. Burnham counters, bluntly replying that the couriers don’t have the clue. Referring to the decoy stanzas on Lyrek, the captain displays the locket she had procured and notes it has a Prime quantum signature.

The standoff remains steadfast, and Book draws Moll's ire when he guesses the couriers would not risk each other's lives over latinum. The exchange intensifies, and Moll contests that not even the Federation could lift an Erigah . Burnham recognizes the term, stunned to learn that the mysterious L'ak is actually Breen. An Erigah is a Breen blood bounty, and Moll and L'ak clearly hope to exchange whatever is at the end of the clue trail for their freedom. Book questions Moll about what they did to receive such a sentence, and the courier reflects…

…back to one of her regular visits to a busy Breen space station some years ago, where two helmeted Breen investigated one of her deliveries. Moll is unafraid when a third Breen approaches, introducing herself by quipping that she enjoys latinum and long walks on the beach. The Breen responds through his helmet's metallic speech processor, but rather than using the Breen sounds deemed unintelligible by most species, he speaks to Moll in her own language and accuses her of cutting her dilithium shipments with impurities. The human denies the accusation levied by "Green Eye," and the two square off in hand-to-hand combat.

Moll's lighthearted conversation persists even as they fight, and she points out that the Breen's belt insignia indicates he is royalty. Rumors have swirled that the Primarch's nephew — an independent thinker named L'ak — has been demoted to shuttlebay duty. Moll suggests that she can help L'ak get payback and admits she does cut the dilithium, leading the Breen to place her in handcuffs. Moll never relents, pitching that having a partner on the inside would make her operation go smoother. She senses L'ak is intrigued and faces him — she knows what it's like to be on the outside and alone — before slipping out of the cuffs. L'ak ponders why Moll would make a deal with someone she didn't know anything about, and Moll resolves to change that unfamiliarity.

Book looks towards Moll during a tenuous truce aboard the I.S.S. Enterprise in 'Mirrors'

Back in the present, Moll refuses to disclose what she and L'ak did to receive their bounty. Captain Burnham cautions them to not let love lead them down the wrong road, but Moll and L'ak opt to open fire once again. An errant phaser blast strikes a control panel, raising a containment field that traps Burnham and L'ak in Sickbay while preventing Book and Moll from re-entering the room. Book intends to resolve the dilemma with the Bridge's security controls and requests Moll's assistance. She agrees to the temporary truce, but threatens to dust Book if he makes one wrong move. They depart, but L'ak and Burnham stay put and keep their weapons drawn.

In another memory from their time on the Breen space station, L'ak receives payment from Moll and declares that her dilithium is clean. She quietly asks if he’d like to inspect her ship again to make sure she didn’t smuggle any tribbles on board, but L'ak's needs to shine his boots in anticipation of his uncle's upcoming inspection. The Breen clarifies that this isn't a euphemism, as the Primarch really likes their boots to be shiny. Moll thinks his uncle sounds like an asshole and brings up the promise that "Green Eye" had made during her last visit. L'ak delays, but Moll is adamant that he show her what he looks like. Though she has seen his face, she wishes to view his other face. L'ak seems self-conscious, and Moll maintains that both faces are a part of him. L'ak concedes, holding his breath and retracting his helmet to reveal his translucent green features. Moll greets him with warmth…

...however, aboard the Enterprise , Moll's demeanor is icy. She walks defiantly through the ship's corridors and rejects Book's appeals about her father. Aware that Cleveland Booker IV left Moll and her mother, Book shares that his mentor made the difficult choice to stay away from them in order to keep them safe. Moll emits a strained laugh, believing that Book must have his own "daddy issues" to have believed her father's story. Even though her father had promised to get his family off of Callor V and take them to a safe-haven colony in the Gamma Quadrant, he eventually just stopped coming home. Her mother was forced to get a job in the rubindium mines, ultimately falling victim to the harsh conditions when Moll was 14. Left alone, Moll tearfully emphasizes that L'ak is now the only person who matters to her.

In Sickbay aboard the I.S.S. Enterprise, Burnham and L'ak are locked on each other with phasers drawn in 'Mirrors'

Down in Sickbay, L'ak and Burnham retain their suspicious stares. Seated, yet still aiming their phasers at each other, they discuss the "power beyond all comprehension" that the Romulan scientist's diary and the subsequent clues would guide them toward. The captain warns L'ak what could happen if they Breen acquired that technology, and her observation that the Federation is all about second chances seems to resonate with him. Though Burnham promises she'd advocate for Moll and L'ak to serve their time together, L'ak is emphatic — he'd rather die than be separated from Moll.

On the Enterprise 's Bridge, the security system's firewall prevents Moll and Book from accessing the containment field. Moll pounds the console in frustration, but Book takes the opportunity to compare Moll and L'ak’s bond with the one he had shared with Burnham. With the exception of Grudge, who bites him when he doesn't feed her, Michael was the first friend Book made after Cleveland Booker IV died. He apologizes for what Moll endured because of her father and explains his troubled relationship with his own father, though Moll's thoughts continue to drift to L'ak…

…and to their time on the Breen space station. Concealed by a force field among the cargo containers, Moll and L'ak kiss. The human pauses, hesitant to mention that she received a new contract in Emerald Chain territory. L'ak calls Osyraa a butcher, but Moll responds that the Breen Imperium's faction wars don't make this region much safer. Her pursuit of higher paydays is a byproduct of her desire to discover the peace and freedom of the Gamma Quadrant paradise that her father had described. L'ak confesses that he only stays in Breen space because he has nowhere else to go, prompting Moll to propose he leave with her. The sound of footsteps interrupts the tender moment, and the Breen Primarch marches in with two Breen soldiers by his side. He disables the privacy field, his visored face locking eyes with the human.

With the memory of that confrontation fresh in her mind, Moll comes to attention on the Enterprise 's Bridge and knocks open a panel underneath the con. She creates a power surge to burn through the security system and short out the containment field, but her actions cause violent explosions to rock the ship. The Sickbay force field drops, though Burnham’s attempt to block L'ak's exit results in another round of fisticuffs that shatters glass and takes its toll. Book reports that impulse engines are overloaded and nav systems are fried — they have no control over the ship. Discovery 's shuttle becomes dislodged, tumbling away from the Terran ship and leaving the Enterprise eight minutes from impacting the aperture.

Book tries to develop a plan, but Moll aims her phaser at him. Nevertheless, Book is still determined to not let anything happen to Burnham or Moll. As a Kwejian, he lost his planet — everything that he cared about is gone. Though Cleveland was a "shit dad" to Moll, he was a great mentor to Book. In a heartbreaking tone, Book informs Moll that she is the only family he has left. He carefully picks up his phaser but chooses to hand it to her. She reacts with suspicion and directs both weapons toward him. Moll wrestles with indecision but opts not to kill him, a choice which elicits a sigh of relief from Book.

Brawling in the I.S.S. Enterprise's Sickbay, Michael Burnham kicks L'ak in the chest in 'Mirrors'

Burnham and L'ak's physical confrontation rages in Sickbay, but the Breen's reliance on a bladed weapon proves to be a tactical error. The Starfleet officer subdues him and retrieves the clue — the locket was a decoy. However, L'ak was inadvertently stabbed with his own blade during the attack. Moll runs in at this unfortunate moment, filled with concern for her partner and rejecting Burnham's plea to get L'ak to Discovery for treatment. Now a mere five minutes from colliding with the aperture, Book and Burnham speed off to the Bridge, leaving Moll to assist L'ak in Sickbay…

…and remember the moment when the Breen Primarch caught them together. As a guard holds L'ak, a second Breen strikes Moll. The Primarch prevents his nephew from intervening, then airs his grievance — L'ak carries the genetic code of the Yod-Thot, they who rule . While the Primarch campaigns for the throne of the Imperium, L'ak has been consorting with "lesser beings." His uncle describes L'ak's use of his more humanoid face as an insult to his heritage. The Primarch retracts his own helmet, gesturing to his translucent visage and proclaiming, " This is Breen." L'ak argues that their ability to change is a sign that both faces are a part of them, but his uncle claims they have evolved past a need for that form — holding it makes L'ak unfocused, inflexible, and weak.

The Primarch reseals his helmet and hands L'ak a weapon. His nephew must kill Moll to gain redemption. Resigned to her death, Moll tells "Green Eye" that their relationship was fun while it lasted, but L'ak elects to shoot the Breen guards instead of her. His uncle allows L'ak to place the phaser at his chest. Swayed by the fact that the Primarch raised him, L'ak only wounds his uncle. Alarms blare through the cargo area, and L'ak urges Moll to flee so that he will know she's safe. The blood bounty that L'ak just earned does not dissuade Moll from wanting him to join her. Holding onto his face, she says they can be happy together. L'ak voices his love for Moll…

…which snaps her back to the present, where L'ak reiterates his love for Moll in the Enterprise 's chaotic Sickbay. However, she is unwilling to give up and vows to get them out of this predicament. Meanwhile, Burnham and Book burst onto the Bridge and intend to activate a tractor beam. Book brightens the Terran light panels — "can’t save the day if we can’t see" — and winks at the captain as he takes the helm.

On Discovery 's Bridge, Commander Rayner asks Christopher for an update on comms. Naya interjects, reporting that something is happening at the aperture. A tractor beam can be seen emanating from within the wormhole, and it is oscillating with a repeating pattern: 3-4-1-4. Rayner grins in understanding and calls Stamets, Adira, and Tilly to the Bridge. The first officer doesn’t just need them to hold the aperture open, he also wants them to make it bigger — large enough for a starship. Discovery isn't going in, but their captain is coming out.

On the Bridge, Tilly, Stamets, and Adira are all concerned look in different directions in 'Mirrors'

Stamets and the senior staff are perplexed by Rayner's announcement, and the Kellerun's reference to the Ballad of Krul doesn't give them any additional insight. Returning to the task at hand, Tilly affirms that such a procedure would require more energy than the entire ship can safely produce. Rayner pushes them for ideas, promising a cask of Kellerun citrus mash for whoever lands this solution. The Bridge is abuzz with chatter — inverting the deflector array would take too long, discharging the spore reserve would leave them unable to make an emergency jump, and pulling power from gravitational systems would cause everyone to float around… but replacing the photon torpedo payloads with antimatter would add fuel to the reactions already present in the aperture! Adira confirms that hitting it precisely with a sequential hexagonal pattern should keep it open for approximately sixty seconds. Rayner questions why it must be hexagonal, but Stamets points to him in a mischievous manner and notes, "It doesn’t matter. It’ll work." Satisfied, the commander awards the citrus mash to the entire Bridge crew and trusts that they'll make their only chance to succeed count.

As Captain Burnham sits in the I.S.S. Enterprise 's center seat, the ship's computer pronounces that only 60 seconds remain until impact with the aperture. Driven by the perilous countdown, she confesses to Book that he was one of the surprises she encountered while ensnared in the time bug's grip. She reflects on how nice it felt and how happy they seemed. Book offers an appreciative nod, but the pull of the aperture shakes the Enterprise .

On Discovery , Rayner orders a volley of torpedoes to be launched at the wormhole, and their detonations cause the opening to expand and generate even more light. The Enterprise 's tractor beam rattles the ship as it makes contact with Discovery . Book awaits Burnham's order to act and asks if he should "hit it." Captain Christopher Pike's signature phrase draws a quizzical and bemused look from Burnham, who replies, "Feels weird. Let’s just fly." The Terran ship's saucer section begins to emerge from the aperture, and its secondary hull clears it just before it collapses and releases a radiant surge of energy.

A relief-filled Captain Burnham communicates her thanks to Rayner over the comm channel, but she and Book then notify Discovery about a Terran warp pod being fired by the Enterprise . Scans detect two lifesigns and sickbay equipment aboard — Moll and L'ak. The pod launches and jumps to warp before it can be captured, though Rayner hopes to follow their warp signature and put out an alert throughout the fleet.

As the I.S.S. Enterprise and U.S.S. Discovery station themselves opposite one another in deep space, Rayner accompanies Burnham on a stroll through Discovery 's halls and compliments her on her "3-4-1-4" signal. The captain's message had referred to Section 4, Verse 7 of the Ballad of Krul , in which Krul calls to his war brothers for rescue with a repeating drumbeat of three taps, followed by four, one, and four. Although impressed, Rayner has doubts about how the mission played out. Burnham encourages him to take the win and relays that she is ordering Commanders Owosekun and Detmer to head a team and fly the Enterprise back to Federation HQ storage.

Tilly with her arms folded while leaning at the bar table looks up towards Culber in 'Mirrors'

Discovery 's crew takes some much-needed downtime in Red's, where Culber follows through on his promise to confide in Tilly. The doctor leans beside her at the bar, and Tilly remarks that the day has left her feeling as if she has been through a gormagander's digestive tract. Highlighting the unique experiences he's had — dying, being resurrected, and staying present in his own body while Jinaal Bix inhabited it during the zhian'tara — Culber can only classify these events as "weird." Coupled with their current quest to find the technology that created life, Culber has found these questions to be both impossible to grasp and exhilarating. Since Stamets hates the unknown, Culber isn't sure how to talk to his partner about these emotions. Tilly advises him that the intellectual and the spiritual are not that far apart in the sense that they each bring understanding and can take you to new places. Initially taken aback by Tilly's use of the word spiritual, the doctor lets his friend's words sink in.

Captain Burnham welcomes Book into her Ready Room as she finishes reading a file on the Progenitors. There's no news about Moll and L'ak's whereabouts, but every ship in the sector is on high alert. She extracts a vial of liquid from the device containing the clue and shares that Stamets is preparing to do a full chemical analysis on it. Burnham secures the third object alongside the other two clues, which Book observes always seem to be presented hand-in-hand with a lesson. The ordeal with the itronok on Trill demonstrated that they valued lifeforms different from their own and the necropolis planet evoked the importance of cultural context, so why did a scientist leave the third clue on a Terran warship?

The query draws a smile from Burnham, who discloses that the scientist had been a Terran named Dr. Cho — the junior science officer aboard the I.S.S. Enterprise . The captain had Zora search for the names from the vessel's manifest, and most of them had turned up in various Federation databases. The crew did make it to the Prime Universe and started new lives, and Cho herself became a branch admiral in Starfleet. The Terrans had hope, found freedom, and overcame the odds. Burnham supposes that those qualities were the reasons Cho returned to the aperture and concealed the clue on the Enterprise . Perhaps the lesson is that they can shape their future in the same way the Terran refugees had.

Book catches sight of the Enterprise getting underway outside of the Ready Room's viewport, prompting the captain to turn and gaze at the vessel. She brings up the time bug secret she had shared with Book when death appeared imminent, but he grins and acknowledges that they had been happy. Stamets' voice rings out over the comm system to let the captain know he is ready for the vial. Burnham grabs the container and makes her way to the door, but Book wonders what happens when they finally put these clues together. Captain Burnham concedes that she doesn't know, but she can't wait to find out.

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* " Mirror, Mirror " — The I.S.S. Enterprise was last seen in this Original Series classic when a transporter malfunction sends the U.S.S. Enterprise crew into a mirror universe.

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Written by Johanna Lee & Carlos Cisco
Directed by Jen McGowan

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"Mirrors" features a dedication:

In loving memory of our friend, Allan "Red" Marceta

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I Heard A Criticism About Star Trek Discovery That I Admittedly Don't Have An Answer For

As the series ends, I wrestle with this one.

Star Trek: Discovery is in its final season and, as I'm enjoying tuning in for the final episodes (accessible with a Paramount+ subscription ), I'm also looking back on the series' overall journey. Through various web searches I've seen lots of takes on the series that I've been aware of as well as a few I haven't seen before. While checking everything out, I was actually forced to confront a criticism that I admittedly don't have a clear answer for. And it's the fact that the series had a weird way of handling Michelle Yeoh 's "Mirror Georgiou."

It's a topic I feel is worth revisiting, given Michelle Yeoh will reprise her role for the an upcoming Trek movie , the highly anticpated Star Trek: Section 31 , which recently wrapped filming . Mirror Georgiou had a heavy presence in the first three seasons of the series, living publicly as the deceased Philippa Georgiou, and she was surprisingly treated as such. It was something I never thought was weird until now, and I have some thoughts on it.

What's The Issue Wth Star Trek: Discovery's Mirror Georgiou?

As an empress in the Terran universe, "Mirror Georgiou" enslaved and oversaw the murder of thousands of individuals if not more. Fans literally see her eat Kelpien, Saru's species, in Season 1. She's not a great person but, after being transferred to the Prime Universe and given a chance to be an asset in the Klingon war, she's given a chance to live a second life officially as her deceased counterpart.

While the character was officially re-introduced by Starfleet as Phillipa Georgiou and everyone in the know sworn to secrecy about the truth of her background, clues have slipped out in following seasons that more people know. Yet people tend to laugh off her threats and anger, as if she wasn't originally a murderous tyrant. Should we assume the characters set for the Section 31 film will act the same, or will operatives be a little colder than her Discovery shipmates?

Is Forgiving Georgiou More True To Star Trek Than Shunning Her?

Was Star Trek: Discovery wrong to write the crew's reaction to Georgiou the way it was? I don't have an answer for that, but it's worth noting that Starfleet regularly has to deal with species with laws and customs deemed unsavory by human standards. Hell, the Klingons are some of Starfleet's closest allies, and very little that they do when it comes to war would be considered humane.

Competent Starfleet officers must build up a resistance to judgment of things they don't understand, which could lend itself to more tolerance in dealing with Mirror Georgiou. Sure, she was a monster, but that monster is now a vital piece of the crew and helping Starfleet. Not everyone has to be happy with it, but they can perhaps compartmentalize it for the betterment of the regime.

Is Georgiou Redeemed Via Her Commitment To Starfleet?

As we prepare for Star Trek: Section 31 , which is confirmed to have a younger version of a Next Generation character , I can't help but wonder if the subject of Georgiou's redemption will come up. With Rachel Garrett in the mix, it seems unlikely that Georgiou will appear at a time when many of those who were previously aware of her Starfleet situation are still around. As such, her top-secret recorded record and true history may force her to prove she's worthy of a role in Section 31 and not better served with a life sentence in a penal colony.

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Radiant Black is Taking Its Tokusatsu Action to Audiobooks

S ince it debuted back in 2021, Kyle Higgins and Marcelo Costa’s Radiant Black has become one of Image Comics’ biggest books. Now that it’s got an entire universe of its own full of equally colorful characters headling their own books, it’s just a question of what’s next for the series that started it all. The answer to that is to bring in new fans by taking it to a new format.

During the C2E2 panel for the Massive-Verse, Higgins revealed the series’ first six issues are getting brought over to audiobook format. He’ll be writing and directing the first volume in what’s expected to be a series of adaptations from Image and Higgins’ Black Market Collective imprint. And here’s something fun for 90s heads: the two leads, Nathan Burnett and Marshall Ward, are being respectively voiced by Boy Meets World alums Rider Strong and Will Friedle.

Friedle previously voiced Marshall in a Radiant Black short film in 2022, and he was excited to come back to reprise the role another time. As for Strong, he said joining the audiobook was easy once he learned how focused on Nathan and Marshall’s journey it’d be. In the video, they’re both a tad competitive about which one of them is the real Radiant Black, which is just as well, since that conflict is still playing out across two timelines in the comics.

“We love finding new ways to connect with readers and audiences,” added Higgins, “especially in mediums that can help us bring a new level of immersion to Radiant Black and the Massive-Verse. As a director, a former sound editor, and an all-around huge audio nerd, the idea of building Radiant Black with a full voice cast and taking advantage of all the possibilities that an audio book affords has made this one of the most exciting projects that I’ve ever been a part of. And just wait until you see the rest of this cast!”

Black Market said to expect the Radiant Black: Volume One audiobook later this year. The rest of its reveals at C2E2, including a collection for the first dozen Radiant Black issues, can be seen here .

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