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Does anyone out there have an older 8500 SL? I found a used one that I am looking at getting for my girlfriend and I was wondering if anyone had any comments good or bad about the bike. I read the reviews on the '04 and everyone seems to love the bike. I looked at one at the LBS and looks like a great bike. Have there been any significant changes with the frames over the last few years? Anything in particular I should check over before I purchase the bike? The frame is suppose to be a couple years old and an 8500SL. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bob  

bob24250 said: Does anyone out there have an older 8500 SL? I found a used one that I am looking at getting for my girlfriend and I was wondering if anyone had any comments good or bad about the bike. I read the reviews on the '04 and everyone seems to love the bike. I looked at one at the LBS and looks like a great bike. Have there been any significant changes with the frames over the last few years? Anything in particular I should check over before I purchase the bike? The frame is suppose to be a couple years old and an 8500SL. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bob Click to expand...

8500 sl what year is the frame?, the fact that you said "sl" makes me think its the older sl aluminum, which in my experiance, rides really nice, i had an 02 6700 with an slr frame. claimed weight of 3.6 lbs. the newer zr9000 allow claims somewhere around 3.2 lbs. and the 9.8 oclv frame claims somewhere near 3.0 lbs. all have the same geometry. i really like the handling of my old 6700, and the ride alltogether, if it is a slr frame, im betting its the same... hope that helps.  

careful... the 04' 8500 is a different beast than those of yesteryear. This year's 8500 comes with a fox fork and XT all around with discs. it's got a lot of nice components on it - better than previous ones in my opinion. -don  

How old are we talking here? I had a 8500SL that cracked where the rear chain stay meets the bottom bracket. It was replaced by Trek with a 8900SL. I think the year was 98-99 but I am not sure; I do remember that it was a common problem though because the replacement 8900SL had a reinforced wield in the area that the previous frame failed. I still have the 8900SL with no problems to date.  

NJFUELGUY said: How old are we talking here? I had a 8500SL that cracked where the rear chain stay meets the bottom bracket. It was replaced by Trek with a 8900SL. I think the year was 98-99 but I am not sure; I do remember that it was a common problem though because the replacement 8900SL had a reinforced wield in the area that the previous frame failed. I still have the 8900SL with no problems to date. Click to expand...

Thanks for the help Thanks for the help. I picked the bike up last night. It looks good. I checked the welds at the BB and the Chain Stays...looks good. The frame is the older model, not the ZR9000. It is bright orange. Came with a great component spec XT-XTR. Just need to put the standard cables, brake pads and tires on her and ready to ride. Thanks, Bob  

bob24250 said: Thanks for the help. I picked the bike up last night. It looks good. I checked the welds at the BB and the Chain Stays...looks good. The frame is the older model, not the ZR9000. It is bright orange. Came with a great component spec XT-XTR. Just need to put the standard cables, brake pads and tires on her and ready to ride. Thanks, Bob Click to expand...

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One of the things that can be intimidating about buying a cargo ebike is how unfamiliar they feel. Whether a bike is designed with weird geometry and wheel sizes or odd features for heavy hauling, every ride can feel unfamiliar.

For traditional cyclists who want to haul a grocery store trip’s worth of groceries home but don’t want to mess with technology they’re unfamiliar with, the Trek Fetch+ 2 is a decent option. It’s more expensive than some of our favorite alternatives, but it has an easy-to-ride step-through design, well-made components, and great plastic buckets (and other accessories) for storage.

There are bikes with more advanced features for the money, but even after I spent a summer riding the Fetch+ 2, it barely needed a tune-up. For a modern cargo ebike with a classic cargo bike maintenance schedule, it might be worth spending a bit more cash.

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The Fetch+ 2 is the smaller of Trek’s two latest cargo ebikes, which includes the box-fronted Fetch+ 4 ($8,500) , which is more oriented toward toting around dogs and children in between groceries and beer.

The Fetch+ 2 instead is a more traditional step-through cargo bike that employs a myriad of attachments, most notably two plastic panniers that hang off an extended rack on the rear. You can get a padded seat cover for the rear to let friends hold on and ride, or mount a couple kids’ seats behind you, but I’d still probably use this bike more for errands than transporting little ones.

As an objet d’art , the bike is simple and unassuming, which is ideal for a bike this expensive. The battery is integrated into the frame, but a sizable bulge means nobody will fail to notice it's an ebike. You can get it in three colors. I liked the black of our review unit, but the bright blue would probably be my choice if I was buying one.

While much of the bike will be familiar to anyone who has ever seen or contemplated a cargo bike, Trek really gets the geometry and style of this bike correct as far as making it very usable for many tasks. Even the dual-sided kickstand pops up and down with remarkable ease (shockingly rare on other large ebikes I've used). I particularly enjoyed using the rear panniers for hauling flats of berries and other easily squished items that tend to rattle around in softer panniers.

The panniers fit a ton of stuff; I was able to get four full-size grocery bags spread between the two black plastic totes. I like that they had little plugs in the bottom that you could feasibly use a plastic bag to cover and then fill them with ice and drinks.

I spent a couple months using the Fetch+ 2 as my primary bike, and came away much more impressed than anticipated, given the specs and the price.

On paper, this is an expensive ebike to have pretty standard mid-drive cargo bike specs. The 85 Nm Bosch motor and 500-wH battery are good for 20-plus miles a day loaded down in any city, but they’re not better than models like the larger Xtracycle Stoker, which has the same torque and a 630-wH battery for $4,999. The Trek also doesn’t have a carbon belt drive and variable transmission, which we consider the best (and easiest to maintain) shifting mechanism for cargo bikes.

The more traditional chain-and-gears drivetrain and no suspension make this a less comfortable and more difficult-to-maintain bike than favorites like the Tern GSD ( 8/10, WIRED Recommends ), which costs about the same. I have to say, I was expecting the difference in riding experience to be more severe. The fatter-than-usual 20 x 2.35-inch tires of the Trek absorbed potholes better than other suspensionless bikes. It also stopped just as well as its competitors, thanks to hydraulic disc brakes.

Mid-drive cargo bikes are much better than their rear-hub counterparts, especially when toting larger items or smaller humans, because they allow you to get more torque to the wheels, and provide a more traditional riding experience. I never found myself lacking for power, though I did crunch through the gears a bit when starting on a hill.

The Fetch+ 2 rides really well, with a solid frame and no creaks or sketchiness of any kind (as picked up from my local Trek dealer, another plus of ordering from the brand), and I really liked how bright the built-in lights were when riding home from soccer games and band practices at night. The fat wheels were easy to turn, giving this a turning radius similar to a non-extended ebike when I was making U-turns in the city. It also has a built-in phone mount with a wireless charger, which makes it really nice for using a map app to cruise to unfamiliar places.

It’s not a fun bike to ride in the traditional sense; it’s not the fastest or the most comfortable, but it is satisfyingly robust and confidence-inducing. In my months of riding, I never had a single issue with the bike. That’s unusual given the state of some of the roads I often took the Fetch+ 2 on the side of, and a testament to Trek's great build quality.

If I was a longtime Trek owner and interested in getting into cargo ebikes, I’d certainly give this line a look, with the understanding that I might find something I like better from Tern, Xtracycle, or another brand for the same price—or something from Rad Power Bikes or another more affordable direct-to-consumer manufacturer for less. It’s a well-made bike that does what it claims to do, but it’s on the spendy side.

It is a bit hard to come by, at least in bike shops around my hometown of Portland, Oregon. If you’re interested in this one for your treks around town, I’d make sure to call ahead for a test ride. If you want a familiar-feeling bike with all the frills of electrification, it’s worth a spin.

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St. Philaret of Moscow: Daily Prayer and Prayer of the Prisoner

St. Philaret of Moscow

St. Philaret left a voluminous inheritance of what can be truly called patristic works. He also composed prayers, 1 one of which has become a part of many people’s morning prayers . It is a prayer not for what we want, but for what God wills—that He would always be before us, working in us His Holy will. 2

Morning Prayer of Metropolitan Philaret of Moscow

O Lord, I do not know what to ask of Thee. Thou alone knowest what I need. Thou lovest me more than I know how to love myself. O Father, grant Thy servant what I myself do not know how to ask. I do not dare to ask a cross of Thee, nor consolation; I only stand before Thee with my heart open; Thou seest the needs that I myself do not know. Look, and work in me according to Thy mercy; smite and heal me, cast me down and raise me up! I am reverent and silent before Thy holy will and ways that are unfathomable to me. I offer myself as a sacrifice to Thee; teach me to pray. Do Thou Thyself pray in me. Amen.

Another prayer attributed to the illustrious hierarch was written for prisoners , who although they have been incarcerated for crimes committed, especially need help from the Lord to bear the difficulty of their penitentiary life. But aren’t we are all seemingly prisoners of circumstances that surround us—family troubles, job loss or difficulty, rocky relationships, poverty, and any other thing that makes us feel like there is no way out? But we can pray to God with these words, that He would give us comfort and the strength to endure everything for the sake of cleansing our own sins, which have most likely brought us to these situations.

Prayer of the Prisoner

O my Lord God and Savior, blessed be Thy holy name!

Thanksgiving and praise be to Thee O Lord, for all the blessings I have received from Thee in this life. Sorrow and sickness have overtaken me, and I call upon Thy name. Reproach has fallen upon me. Thou hast laid me in the pit of hades, in the darkness and house of the dead. I sorrow for this, and I understand that I have this sorrow because I have sinned before Thee, and for my sins have these afflictions come upon me. For Thy righteous ones were not downcast, and even in prisons called out to Thee, and rejoiced in sufferings.

For if Thous shouldst mark iniquities, O Lord, O Lord, who shall stand? For there is no man that hath not sinned. But Thou, O Lord, dost bear the sins of the world and cleansest through repentance. I believe, for thou hast not turned even me, a sinner, away from Thy Face. Thy Only Begotten Son didst pour out His blood for the whole world. I believe that He can cleanse even me from my sins, and desires this.

Therefore with David I say: I will confess mine iniquities before the Lord against myself. And Thou forgavest the ungodliness of my heart. I fear the judge and judgment of man, but even more do I fear Thy irrevocable judgment and eternal condemnation. For unrighteousness has risen up against me; I make bold to pray to Thee with David’s words: Hearken O Lord unto my righteousness, and hear my judgment, and deliver me by Thy righteousness.

For although I have committed unrighteousness, heal my unrighteousness by Thy mercy. Do not allow my heart to incline to deceitful words, to hiding the truth, and false justification. Help me to understand and to hate my unrighteousness, to love righteousness, and in truth surround my soul with comfort. Ease the burden of my afflictions. Endure also me, the condemned, that I may endure with patience for the sake of cleansing my sins and for the sake of Thy merciful, righteous judgment.

For if shame has covered me before certain people, may I endure it with humility; may I receive They mercy, O Lord, and may I not be put to shame before the face of the world at Thy Dread [Last] Judgment.

I come to Thee woeful and sorrowful; deprive me not of Thy spiritual consolation. I come to Thee darkened; show me the light of hope for salvation. I fall down before Thee in exhaustion; raise me up and confirm me in Thy grace.

And above all grant me the desire and help me, O Lord, in everything to do Thy will; that in peace I may glorify Thy holy name, of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.

1   The translations of these prayers given in this post are our own (not official).

2   When searching in Google for the “Prayer of St. Philaret of Moscow”, one seems always to find not this prayer, but the prayer of the Optina Elders: “O Lord, grant me to greet the coming day in peace, help me in all things to rely upon Your holy will. In every hour of the day reveal Your will to me. Bless my dealings with all who surround me. Teach me to treat all that comes to me throughout the day with peace of soul and with firm conviction that Your will governs all. In all my words and deeds, guide my thoughts and feelings. In unforeseen events, let me not forget that all are sent by You. Teach me to act firmly and wisely, without embittering and embarrasssing others. Give me strength to bear the fatigue of the coming day with all that it shall bring. Direct my will, teach me to pray. And, Yourself, pray in me. Amen.” These prayers are very similar.

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Trek 1999 8500 LT Hardtail Bike

1999 Trek 8500 LT, mountain bike, front suspension, Mountain Mix components, Rock Shox Judy C, 4.0" travel fork

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goes like a rocket and then some.

seatpost,hate it.

seriosly good bike,i have had some problems with the fork and the brakes and i hate the seatpost but it is loads of fun to ride what more can you ask?

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Judy 100, frame, Hayes brake.

front tire.

This bike is great and a real pleasure to ride. My only complaint is the front tire easily loses lateral traction in sand on tight turns and the steering at speed is less accurate than other bikes I've tried. I was shopping for a full suspension, but the combination of the Judy 100 and the Rock Shox seatpost makes for a plush hardtail.

Specialized Stumpjumper, Gary Fisher Ziggurat, Giant XTC2,

The judy 100 is great, and the tires are sweet, I also think the bike is light and it climbs nicely.

the rear breake!!! you just have to change it for a hayes disk and it is perfect. Also the handelbar rise is a little to much I change it to a Icon ernie and now its even perfect for a race!

Great bike for the price, it has great componets and it kiks ass in downhill as well aa in all-around riding in any condition. It handels perfectly in the mud. SWEET DEAL

Mongoose, Trek 9000 and cannondale f900

judy 100's, hayes brake up front, stiff & light frame

cranks, stem

It's a good bike and I got it at a smoking deal, 1000 bucks which I was happy about. I wasn't a big fan of Rock Shox suspension seat post but everyone has their own personal preference. The Judy 100's have been great for me especially since I put speed springs in them, I had to put them in since the 100's were a little too plush for me. I do a lot of free riding, dirt jumping, downhill with this bike and it has held up really well seeing that most people use this bike for cross country. The only problems I've had with this bike is the crankset and I just ordered a new one since I'm not a big fan of Icon.

Fisher bikes

An overall good package for a hardtail. Nice Rock Shox seat post. Front Disk is sweet. Light and responsive

I think there is a bit of flex in the front shock.

I'm pumped that I got this bike. I was looking for a cool looking, reasonably priced hardtail with at least a front disk. There aren't that many out there. I thought about the Cannondale, but the price was out of site. I got a great deal and walked away with the bike for $1,100. I didn't think that was bad given the quality of the components! Do yourself a favor and go test ride one TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My brother's Trek VRX400 Various Cannondales w/ the Lefty shock!

Good stiff/light frame while it is in one piece

Here is the whole story(this letter was e-mailed to all Trek depts. 2 weeks ago....no reply yet): Dear Trek Bicycles:I am taking the time to write this letter to inform you about some quality issues I have discovered in your frame making process. My first mountain bike was a 1995 Trek 850 (Steel). I rode this bike and had tons of fun with it until the frame broke in May 1998. The frame broke on the rear weld of the chainstay. 4 years seems pretty reasonable considering what the bike went through in that time. Unfortunately my experience gets worse. When the frame was warranted I decided to upgrade to a better frame and bike. I ended up getting a 1998 Trek 8000SL . I was told by a Trek rep that was in International Bicycle Center in Newton, MA (very big Trek dealer) that this bike was “Bomb-Proof”. 600 miles later this was not the case…..the frame broke at the weld between the chainstay and the bottom bracket and I had to walk 3 miles out. After 600 miles of trails on this bike I had developed a relationship with this bike so this was a sad day. I did not want to go long without a bike so I immediately called International Bicycle Center in Brighton, MA and they had a 1998 19.5” 8500 frame in stock (lucky me). This time when I started riding my new frame I was not gleaming with confidence. Especially after the sales person told me they have seen many broken Al Treks. Riding this frame was scary because I was nervous it was going to break at a bad time. 250 miles later the frame cracked in the same exact spot!!!! That evening I went into Bay Road Bikes in South Hamilton, MA. Aaron (Co-owner) took the time to listen to my story and calm me down. I told him I would never get on a Trek again in my life. Because of the cost of not using the warrantee…I was forced to get another Trek! I should have this in Wed. July 28th. Hitting the trail with this frame I am sure there will be no “warm fuzzy feeling”. Being the trail with this bike will just be a trial of when it breaks. I ride with several groups in the Boston area (www.nemba.org and www.ragemtb.com ) and many people know my story. Many of these people want to know why these frames keep breaking. One thing I did notice on several other Al frames (Cannondale, Gary Fisher…etc) is that they all have a reinforcement bar in the bottom of the triangles (inside chainstay). This letter will be published to all my local riding groups and to any relevant sites on the internet (www.mtbr.com). Any feedback I receive from Trek will be published and addended to my postings. If there is no response…that will also be posted. My friends and I would like to know why we should consider/continue to ride Trek bikes.I feel 2 weeks is a reasonable time to allow to hear back from you in regards to this matter. Update: I got my new frame and there is a gusset where it kept breaking...I guess it won't break there again. Michael J. Duval [email protected]

Same product again and again

The frame, front disk and judy 100 was great.

The back brake wasn't the best and the Lx parts sucked.

The bottom line is that this bike was the best I had tried out of all these bikes. I would given it a perfect ten.

Trek 9.9, 9.8, 8900 Specialized stumpjumpers and FSR's Gary fisher super caliber and mt. tam Klien attitude race, mantra race and androit race

Super Good Frame, Upgraded to hydro discs front and rear(AWESOME)

Dont keep the Judy 100's. I was only 145lbs at the time and I destroyed them in 2 months.

I have raced this bike 20 times or so and the only thing that has ever broken is the forks(but as you can see i changed them to Marzochhi's...recomend doing that). Very nice frame but the bike is a tad heavy for racing. Very good acceleration and descending capabilities. Fell from 6 feet broad side on a tree and only lost a little paint in the incident. Whoever says the frame is week must have hit a brick wall at 100miles an hour. Anyway i give it five flamin' chillis. Unbelievable bike. Dont spen anymore that $1400US on a bike cause this will kick any freeride bikes ass.

Spec'd hydraulic front disc brake. Rear disc tabs and hub make upgrade to dual discs very affordable. Most Icon products held up well (except cranks). LX/XT drivetrain works well for non-competitive riding.

Still not sure about the suspension post. May try a lighter-weight rigid post. The Judy 100 fork was good for the first year, but completely crapped out thereafter. Bent the crank-spider and trashed the chain-rings, but that was mostly due to hard riding. Upgrading to a rear disc was definitely the way to go.

This bike has held up very well over the past 2 years plus of fairly heavy riding by a 195 lb. rider. The Judy 100 fork however, is not a good fork for any sort of extended abusive riding. There was also the issue of adjustablity of the fork. Marzocchi is a much better option if you have the cash to upgrade. I've raced this bike a handful of times and found that it is a bit heavy for this use, but performs extremely well on any sort of technical terrain. The jury's still out on the suspension post. If you listen to the stupid magazines, suspension posts are no longer cool, but it hasn't bothered me enough to go back to rigid. The longer travel for will affect climbing because of a more relaxed head angle, but I have gotten used to it, and the ECC on the Marzocchi fork has helped with this. Overall, a great bike that's fun to ride.

1996 Gary Fisher Tassajara - Replaced everything except the frame before buying the 8500LT in late '98.

Light, fast, plush, good parts spec.

Light, weak frame, weak rims, weak tires.

This bike is nice. My bike has the dual LX v-brakes, so there's not as much all-weather braking, but the performance of the bike improves when 1.) you don't have to worry about clipping in and/or out in sticky situations, and 2.) you don't have to worry about getting mud and/or rocks in your face while you're riding in the mud (which there is a lot of around here). Bottom line is that if you can get this bike for under $1000 like I did, do so. It's a deal. But it's not a DH or even a DS bike. It's just a bike, so treat it like one and it won't break.

Azonic DS-1 (only thing close that I've tried)

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