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Joe Walsh, Bad Company Plot ‘One Hell of a Night’ Tour

By Jon Blistein

Jon Blistein

Joe Walsh  and Bad Company  will co-headline a 25-date U.S. trek this summer, aptly dubbed the One Hell of a Night tour.

Walsh and Bad Company will alternate headlining duties each night, while British singer-songwriter Steve Rodgers will open with an acoustic set. The trek kicks off May 9th at the Gexa Energy Pavilion in Dallas and wraps July 3rd at the Carl Black Chevy Woods Amphitheater at Fontanel in Nashville.

General tickets for the One Hell of a Night Tour are set to go on sale either March 11th or 12th, depending on venue, primarily at 10 a.m. local time. Pre-sale in select markets for American Express or Citi cardmembers begins March 8th at 10 a.m. local time. Special VIP ticket packages that include a meet-and-greet will also be available.

Specific ticket information — such as exact on-sale dates and times, and which pre-sale offer is available in which city — is available on Walsh’s website . A complete list of tour dates is below.

Performing with Joe Walsh will be some of his backing band members from his 2015 solo Walsh Tour, including Barnstorm bandmate Joe Vitale on drums, Waddy Wachtel on guitar, Larry Young on bass and Jimmy Wallace on keyboards.

Bad Company are also slated to announce a handful of new projects in the coming weeks, including the release of a classic live album.

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May 12 — Dallas, TX @ Gexa Energy Pavilion May 15 — Morrison, CO @ Red Rocks Amphitheatre May 17 — Concord, CA @ Concord Pavilion May 18 — Chula Vista, CA @ Sleep Train Amphitheatre May 20 — Los Angeles, CA @ The Forum May 22 — Phoenix, AZ @ AK-Chin Pavilion May 24 — The Woodlands, TX @ The Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion May 26 — New Orleans, LA @ Bold Sphere Music at Champions Square May 28 — Tampa, FL @ MidFlorida Credit Union Amphitheatre May 29 — W. Palm Beach, FL @ Cruzan Amphitheatre June 7 — Darien Center, NY @ Darien Lake Performing Arts Center June 9 — Mansfield, MA @ Xfinity Center June 11 — Holmdel, NJ @ PNC Bank Arts Center June 12 — Camden, NJ @ BB&T Pavillion June 14 — Wantagh, NY @ Nikon At Jones Beach Theater June 16 — Noblesville, IN @ Klipsch Music Center June 18 — St Louis, MO @ Hollywood Casino Amphitheatre June 20 — Kansas City, MO @ Starlight Theatre June 22 — Clarkston, MI @ DTE Energy Music Theatre June 23 — Chicago, IL @ FirstMerit Bank Pavilion June 26 — Cuyahoga Falls, OH @ Blossom Music Center June 28 — Pittsburgh, PA @ First Niagara Pavilion June 30 — Charlotte, NC @ PNC Music Pavillion July 3 — Nashville, TN @ Carl Black Chevy Woods Amphitheatre

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Joe Walsh & Bad Company Announce 2016 Tour w/ Bay Area Stop

March 3, 2016 / 4:03 PM PST / CBS San Francisco

By Radio.com Staff

CONCORD (RADIO.COM) - Joe Walsh and Bad Company have announced a run of tour dates for this spring. As co-headliners they will rotate the headlining spot. Walsh jokes "I told Paul, if it's a long bus ride I go first!"

The One Hell Of A Night tour kicks off on May 12th in Dallas. Then makes it's way to the Concord Pavilion in Concord on May 17.

Check out the full dates below:

May 12 Gexa Energy Pavilion, Dallas, TX * May 15 Red Rocks Amphitheatre, Morrison, CO ^ May 17 Concord Pavilion, Concord, CA * May 18 Sleep Train Amphitheater, Chula Vista, CA * May 20 The Forum, Los Angeles, CA ^ May 22 Ak-Chin Pavilion, Phoenix, AZ * May 24 Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion, Woodlands, TX * May 26 Bold Sphere Music at Champions Square, New Orleans, LA ^ May 28 MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre, Tampa, FL * May 29 Perfect Vodka Amphitheatre, West Palm Beach, FL * June 7 Darien Lake Performing Arts Center, Darien Lake, NY * June 9 Xfinity Center, Mansfield, MA * June 11 PNC Bank Arts Center, Holmdel, NJ * June 12 BB&T Pavilion, Camden, NJ * June 14 Nikon at Jones Beach Theater, Wantagh, NY * June 16 Klipsch Music Center, Noblesville, IN * June 18 Hollywood Casino Amphitheater, Maryland Heights, MO * June 20 Starlight Theatre, Kansas City, MO * June 22 DTE Energy Music Theatre, Clarkson, MI ^ June 23 FirstMerit Bank Pavilion at Northerly Island, Chicago, IL * June 26 Blossom Music Center, Cuyahoga Falls, OH * June 28 First Niagara Pavilion, Pittsburgh, PA * June 30 PNC Music Pavilion, Charlotte, NC * July 1 Chastian Park Amphitheatre, Atlanta, GA ^ July 3 Carl Black Chevy Woods Amphitheatre at Fontanel, Nashville, TN^

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Bad Company is a british hard rock band with strong blues influences. They rose to prominence in the mid 70s, but have a career, which spans over 4 decades. The band derived it’s name from a 70s Western film and are in many ways considered a supergroup.

Bad Company’s roots spread across 4 different bands. Two of it’s members Paul Rodgers (singer) and Simon Kirke (drummer) made up half of Free, the group’s guitarist Mick Ralphs was previously in Mott the Hoople and their bassist Boz Burrell was recruited from King Crimson. Their manger Peter Grant also managed Led Zeppelin, a group who is one of Bad Company’s greatest influences. Bad Company also drew inspiration from proto-metal bands like Steppenwolf as well as formative electric blues figures such as Muddy Waters and Howlin’ Wolf; however, their sound was more akin to acts like Nazareth or Thin Lizzy.

The group formed in 1973 and shortly after signed to Led Zeppelin’s Swan Song vanity label, making them the first group to do so. Their self-titled debut came out in 1974 and did exceptionally well in the market. It topped the US Billboard 200 and since it’s release has been certified platinum 5 times over, becoming the 46th best selling album of the 70s. The album also made a big impact in the UK, staying on the charts for 25 weeks peaking at No. 3.

This album boosted Bad Company into stardom and seemingly spawned a growth of creativity as they produced 3 more albums at a yearly rate. Their sophomore release “Straight Shooter” entered both the UK and US charts at No. 3, their 3rd album “Run With the Pack” peaked at No. 4 in the UK and No. 5 in the US and their 4th album “Burnin’ Sky” did significantly worse comparative to it predecessors but nevertheless entered the charts at an impressive No.15 in the US and No.17 in the UK.

The group’s 1979 album “Desolation Angeles” abandoned the hard edge sound and grit of their previous releases, swapping sharp distorted guitars for string arrangements and synthesizers. This marked the band’s return to chart domination as the album rose to No. 3 in the US and No. 10 in the UK.

Bad Company had a rough start in the 80s. They lost interest in touring and their longtime manager Peter Grant quit managing after the passing away of Led Zeppelin drummer John Bonham. The group took a break from recording, but returned 3 years later with “Rough Diamonds”, which would be the last album they recorded together as the original lineup. Despite the audience’s anticipation of their return “Rough Diamonds” was the worst selling album the band had yet released.

Not long after this release, Rodgers and Burrell left the band. It was later revived by Ralphs and Kirke and featured a new lineup, featuring Ted Nugent’s vocalist Brian Howe. It took a while for the revisionary group to catch on. Their album “Fame & Fortune” was commercially unsuccessful, sporting a title that seemed to mock them. However they picked up momentum with their follow up album “Dangerous Age” and were back on track with their 1990 release “Holy Water”, which featured the top 20 hit “If You Need Someone”. Bad Compony’s success seemed to be on an exponential incline as their next album “Here Comes Trouble” reached platinum status and produced the hit “How About That”. A year later the band added bassist Rick Willis and rhythm guitarist Dave Coldwell.

After the group issued their live album “Best of Bad Company Live...What You Hear Is What You Get” they put out 2 more studio albums in the 90s: 1995s “Company of Strangers” and 1996s “Stories Told & Untold”.

Though Bad Company has not released any albums in the 2000s they continued touring, many dates alongside acts like David Lee Roth, Styx, Billy Squier, and Lynyrd Skynyrd.

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In full disclosure both Joe Walsh and Bad Company are a little "before my time" by just a bit.

As I came up thru the 80's more so than the 70's heyday.

I'm very familiar with both Musicians/ Bands body of work but they were not necessarily ingrained in me as much let's say?

That being said. There is something about the music from that period that was/ is just "better"?

Better song writing, better hooks, better vibe, better musicianship in general etc etc... and though you may have heard "Jukebox Hero" or "Rocky Mountain way" a few hundred times on the Radio you still find yourself clapping and singing along when the opening chords strike like greeting an old friend!

The problem with Bands that have been around for damn near 40yrs (or longer) is that sometimes, they can turn into a mockery of themselves or some deranged "lounge Act" version.

Not the case with Joe Walsh who not only has put together a top notch back up Band, including among others long time Stevie Knicks guitarist Waddy Wachtel, but also is a very funny (if sometime incoherent) storyteller!

Hearing him intro "Rocky Mountain Way" as "a love song I was writing on a beach in Jamaica that went horribly wrong" and "that if I knew I would be playing this the rest of my life I wouldn't have finish it"! was comedic genius!

And He doesn't rest on his back catalog either with the fantastic "Analog Man" from his latest album fitting perfectly into his classic set without missing a beat.

throw in some James Gang gems like "Funk #49 & Walk Away" plus some Eagles in the form of

"Take it to the limit" (dedicated to the late Glen Frey) and "Life in the Fast Lane"

You got a pretty well rounded career spanning set.

And the man can still play guitar like nobodies business don't worry!

Bad Company was a bit tricky for me.

The show was solid and the sound was mixed very well and basically BAD Co. was a Radio hit machine so... the songs!

And everyone was on no question!

Simon Kirk is still a Monster drummer and pushes the songs forward the most live.

Paul Rodgers still has a great voice but I felt He was maybe holding back a bit here and there?

Todd Ronning who replaced original Bass Player Boz Burrell who passed away in 2006 does a fine job and was the most energetic on stage I thought.

Howard Reese has been with Bad Co since 2008 and does a fine job on Guitar.

Rich Robinson who is filling in for original guitarist Mick Ralphs due to medical issues is a great guitarist but really is not a "showman" and I think smiled twice all night?

On the face of it Bad Company gave a great performance but, for me anyway, I felt like they were maybe playing it a bit too safe? You could use the age excuse I guess but I have the feeling that really isn't it and I felt they could have turned it up one or two notches in the energy Dept is all (off night maybe).

All and all it was a great night out listening to classic rock songs from the Golden era of Rock N' Roll so... Money well spent.

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Well, I have seen BAD COMPANY last year @ the Fantasy Springs Resort and Casino and no doubt about it that Paul Rodgers is one amazing singer and his band is truly remarkable. This is perhaps the third time I have seen a concert in an open setting. The only problem is that you have to walk half a mile to get to the venue. I ended up listening to 5 songs and almost did not make it for the bus that was to take me there was about to leave. From where I was dropped, here comes the walking a half mile that felt like it was a never ending one and to top it all, I forgot to bring with my lighter and had to ask people a favor if they had one. The weather was great and I was able to find the right spot to watch this awesome band. The highlight of them all is that when Paul introduced his grandchildren to all of us jam packed crowd. With that being said it reminded me of my grandchildren too. A great concert and I will never stop watching BAD COMPANY every time they are here in the desert. The lesson of this message is that if you are watching a concert in an open area like PGA, make sure you make it on time and give yourself an extra hour for parking and walking. More power to your music Paul and BAD COMPANY. Hope to see you again next year. God bless BAD COMPANY.

Check out Bad Company while you still can. Last year they celebrated their 40th anniversary tour and killed it. They dusted off a string of hits including 'Moving On', Feel Like Making Love', Can't Get Enough' and more. They have energy, their chops and can rock a crowd like back in the day. Paul Rogers' voice has earned its way into Rolling Stones' Top One Hundred Best Rock Vocalists, and for good reason. He still has and has always had a golden voice with an incredible dynamic range. Mick Ralph's guitar is as impressive as ever and Simon Kirke's drumming is as rock solid as the first downbeat of their debut album in 1974. The first band to be signed to Led Zeppelin's newly formed Swan Song Records, they were solid rockstars that came from Free and King Crimson and were out on a mission to get back to simpler more driving rock music. I love these guys!

Sad to say i didn't attend .Bad Company is my FAVORITE all time band ! And so i know they were Awesome as Always ! Being a Grandmother, my grandson had a appendicitis attack 2am Friday morning,so couldn't leave him . Gave 2 tickets away...ate the other 2.So only thing i can suggest...get Insurance on ur tickets ! My friend suggested it to me...but i said hell No...Nothing is keeping me from seeing Bad Company !!! Who wud have known...so my Suggestion...think about getting Insurance on ur Tickets...u Never no ....! I LOVE YOU BAD COMPANY TO THE MOON and Back!!!

I went to The Joint in Catoosa, Oklahoma on the 26th of October to see Bad Company. The venue was great and the show was FANTASTIC!!! Paul Rodgers sounds as good as he did the first time I saw them back in 1974. He sang all of their hits. It brought back so many memories. I would highly recommend to anyone to go see this show. It will be worth it.

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I took my brother hadn't sen a concert in a long time.. Yet alone be town town on the lake front.. We had the most amazing time the sound was amazing the music was hot on a nice cool lake front breeze.. Bad Compamy once again had my heart pounding.. Paul Rogers has the voice if a god!!!! Next stop hall of frame for that awesome man...

The show was so good, I just had to write another review. I enjoy going to concerts. And this one is right up there on top of my list. Paul Rogers still sounds exactly the same. This show is worth seeing again and again. Thank you Bad Company for making me feel young again. So many memories!

All I can say is wow! Bad Company is still amazing. Paul Rodgers is an exciting entertainer who has one of the best voices in rock n' roll. Simon Kirke plays the drums with power and passion and is a joy to watch perform.

Their 80 minutes set was full of non stop music and kept us on our feet the entire show.

I LOVE BAD COMPANY!!!!

I have seen A lot of concerts and this one was by far the best I had seen. Paul Rogers you are so multi talented and a voice of a King..

You as a band only get better and better. I seen them in Lincoln CA.

Thanks S.B.:)

Show started on time and they came out hot and rocking. The show was up tempo and the band sounded great. Paul’s voice was strong and awesome, music was spot on And fans were kept standing all night. Bad Company still tops for pure rock and roll.

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Bad Company Replaces Mick Ralphs With Black Crowes’ Rich Robinson

Bad Company will tour with Rich Robinson , formerly of the Black Crowes , after founding guitarist Mick Ralphs decided he wasn't up for the band's upcoming tour with Joe Walsh .

“I’ve decided to sit this upcoming U.S. tour out,” guitarist Mick Ralphs said in a news release. “The travel required to do these dates is something I’m just not feeling up for at the moment. I’m glad the band found Rich to take my place for this run, I’m sure he’ll be great."

Robinson co-founded the Black Crowes with his older brother Chris in 1984, later co-writing "She Talks to Angels," one of the now-split band's biggest hits. He's since released four solo albums, with another called Flux slated for June. Ralphs co-founded Bad Company with Paul Rodgers , Simon Kirke and the late Boz Burrell in 1973; Rodgers and Kirke – who'd both earlier been in Free – will lead Bad Company through these shows with Robinson.

“I'm excited to be joining Bad Company as their special guest on tour this summer," Robinson said in the same press release. “One of my favorite bands growing up was Free. I've been a big fan of Paul Rodgers and his work throughout his career – from Bad Company and beyond – and Simon Kirke is one of my all-time favorite drummers. To be able to play with Paul and Simon is such an honor."

Rodgers and Robinson most recently shared the stage in Seattle last year , when they both appeared to honor Jimmy Page , Rodgers' former bandmate in the Firm .

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A Plan to Remake the Middle East

While talks for a cease-fire between israel and hamas continue, another set of negotiations is happening behind the scenes..

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From New York Times, I’m Michael Barbaro. This is The Daily.

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Today, if and when Israel and Hamas reach a deal for a ceasefire fire, the United States will immediately turn to a different set of negotiations over a grand diplomatic bargain that it believes could rebuild Gaza and remake the Middle East. My colleague Michael Crowley has been reporting on that plan and explains why those involved in it believe they have so little time left to get it done.

It’s Wednesday, May 8.

Michael, I want to start with what feels like a pretty dizzying set of developments in this conflict over the past few days. Just walk us through them?

Well, over the weekend, there was an intense round of negotiations in an effort, backed by the United States, to reach a ceasefire in the Gaza war.

The latest ceasefire proposal would reportedly see as many as 33 Israeli hostages released in exchange for potentially hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

US officials were very eager to get this deal.

Pressure for a ceasefire has been building ahead of a threatened Israeli assault on Rafah.

Because Israel has been threatening a military offensive in the Southern Palestinian city of Rafah, where a huge number of people are crowded.

Fleeing the violence to the North. And now they’re packed into Rafah. Exposed and vulnerable, they need to be protected.

And the US says it would be a humanitarian catastrophe on top of the emergency that’s already underway.

Breaking news this hour — very important breaking news. An official Hamas source has told The BBC that it does accept a proposal for a ceasefire deal in Gaza.

And for a few hours on Monday, it looked like there might have been a major breakthrough when Hamas put out a statement saying that it had accepted a negotiating proposal.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the ceasefire proposal does not meet his country’s requirements. But Netanyahu says he will send a delegation of mediators to continue those talks. Now, the terms —

But those hopes were dashed pretty quickly when the Israelis took a look at what Hamas was saying and said that it was not a proposal that they had agreed to. It had been modified.

And overnight —

Israeli troops stormed into Rafah. Video showing tanks crashing over a sign at the entrance of the city.

— the Israelis launched a partial invasion of Rafah.

It says Hamas used the area to launch a deadly attack on Israeli troops over the weekend.

And they have now secured a border crossing at the Southern end of Gaza and are conducting targeted strikes. This is not yet the full scale invasion that President Biden has adamantly warned Israel against undertaking, but it is an escalation by Israel.

So while all that drama might suggest that these talks are in big trouble, these talks are very much still alive and ongoing and there is still a possibility of a ceasefire deal.

And the reason that’s so important is not just to stop the fighting in Gaza and relieve the suffering there, but a ceasefire also opens the door to a grand diplomatic bargain, one that involves Israel and its Arab neighbors and the Palestinians, and would have very far-reaching implications.

And what is that grand bargain. Describe what you’re talking about?

Well, it’s incredibly ambitious. It would reshape Israel’s relationship with its Arab neighbors, principally Saudi Arabia. But it’s important to understand that this is a vision that has actually been around since well before October 7. This was a diplomatic project that President Biden had been investing in and negotiating actually in a very real and tangible way long before the Hamas attacks and the Gaza war.

And President Biden was looking to build on something that President Trump had done, which was a series of agreements that the Trump administration struck in which Israel and some of its Arab neighbors agreed to have normal diplomatic relations for the first time.

Right, they’re called the Abraham Accords.

That’s right. And, you know, Biden doesn’t like a lot of things, most things that Trump did. But he actually likes this, because the idea is that they contribute to stability and economic integration in the Middle East, the US likes Israel having friends and likes having a tight-knit alliance against Iran.

President Biden agrees with the Saudis and with the Israelis, that Iran is really the top threat to everybody here. So, how can you build on this? How can you expand it? Well, the next and biggest step would be normalizing relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

And the Saudis have made clear that they want to do this and that they’re ready to do this. They weren’t ready to do it in the Trump years. But Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, has made clear he wants to do it now.

So this kind of triangular deal began to take shape before October 7, in which the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia would enter this three way agreement in which everyone would get something that they wanted.

And just walk through what each side gets in this pre-October 7th version of these negotiations?

So for Israel, you get normalized ties with its most important Arab neighbor and really the country that sets the tone for the whole Muslim world, which is Saudi Arabia of course. It makes Israel feel safer and more secure. Again, it helps to build this alliance against Iran, which Israel considers its greatest threat, and it comes with benefits like economic ties and travel and tourism. And Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been very open, at least before October 7th, that this was his highest diplomatic and foreign policy priority.

For the Saudis, the rationale is similar when it comes to Israel. They think that it will bring stability. They like having a more explicitly close ally against Iran. There are economic and cultural benefits. Saudi Arabia is opening itself up in general, encouraging more tourism.

But I think that what’s most important to the Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman, is what he can get from the United States. And what he has been asking for are a couple of essential things. One is a security agreement whose details have always been a little bit vague, but I think essentially come down to reliable arms supplies from the United States that are not going to be cut off or paused on a whim, as he felt happened when President Biden stopped arms deliveries in 2021 because of how Saudi was conducting its war in Yemen. The Saudis were furious about that.

Saudi Arabia also wants to start a domestic nuclear power program. They are planning for a very long-term future, possibly a post-oil future. And they need help getting a nuclear program off the ground.

And they want that from the US?

And they want that from the US.

Now, those are big asks from the us. But from the perspective of President Biden, there are some really enticing things about this possible agreement. One is that it will hopefully produce more stability in the region. Again, the US likes having a tight-knit alliance against Iran.

The US also wants to have a strong relationship with Saudi Arabia. You know, despite the anger at Mohammed bin Salman over the murder of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi, the Biden administration recognizes that given the Saudis control over global oil production and their strategic importance in the Middle East, they need to have a good relationship with them. And the administration has been worried about the influence of China in the region and with the Saudis in particular.

So this is an opportunity for the US to draw the Saudis closer. Whatever our moral qualms might be about bin Salman and the Saudi government, this is an opportunity to bring the Saudis closer, which is something the Biden administration sees as a strategic benefit.

All three of these countries — big, disparate countries that normally don’t see eye-to-eye, this was a win-win-win on a military, economic, and strategic front.

That’s right. But there was one important actor in the region that did not see itself as winning, and that was the Palestinians.

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First, it’s important to understand that the Palestinians have always expected that the Arab countries in the Middle East would insist that Israel recognize a Palestinian state before those countries were willing to essentially make total peace and have normal relations with Israel.

So when the Abraham Accords happened in the Trump administration, the Palestinians felt like they’d been thrown under the bus because the Abraham Accords gave them virtually nothing. But the Palestinians did still hold out hope that Saudi Arabia would be their savior. And for years, Saudi Arabia has said that Israel must give the Palestinians a state if there’s going to be a normal relationship between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Now the Palestinians see the Saudis in discussions with the US and Israel about a normalization agreement, and there appears to be very little on offer for the Palestinians. And they are feeling like they’re going to be left out in the cold here.

Right. And in the minds of the Palestinians, having already been essentially sold out by all their other Arab neighbors, the prospect that Saudi Arabia, of all countries, the most important Muslim Arab country in the region, would sell them out, had to be extremely painful.

It was a nightmare scenario for them. And in the minds of many analysts and US officials, this was a factor, one of many, in Hamas’s decision to stage the October 7th attacks.

Hamas, like other Palestinian leaders, was seeing the prospect that the Middle East was moving on and essentially, in their view, giving up on the Palestinian cause, and that Israel would be able to have friendly, normal relations with Arab countries around the region, and that it could continue with hardline policies toward the Palestinians and a refusal, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said publicly, to accept a Palestinian state.

Right. So Michael, once Hamas carries out the October 7th attacks in an effort to destroy a status quo that it thinks is leaving them less and less relevant, more and more hopeless, including potentially this prospect that Saudi Arabia is going to normalize relations with Israel, what happens to these pre-October 7th negotiations between the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel?

Well, I think there was a snap assumption that these talks were dead and buried. That they couldn’t possibly survive a cataclysm like this.

But then something surprising happened. It became clear that all the parties were still determined to pull-off the normalization.

And most surprisingly of all, perhaps, was the continued eagerness of Saudi Arabia, which publicly was professing outrage over the Israeli response to the Hamas attacks, but privately was still very much engaged in these conversations and trying to move them forward.

And in fact, what has happened is that the scope of this effort has grown substantially. October 7th didn’t kill these talks. It actually made them bigger, more complicated, and some people would argue, more important than ever.

We’ll be right back.

Michael, walk us through what exactly happens to these three-way negotiations after October 7th that ends up making them, as you just said, more complicated and more important than ever?

Well, it’s more important than ever because of the incredible need in Gaza. And it’s going to take a deal like this and the approval of Saudi Arabia to unlock the kind of massive reconstruction project required to essentially rebuild Gaza from the rubble. Saudi Arabia and its Arab friends are also going to be instrumental in figuring out how Gaza is governed, and they might even provide troops to help secure it. None of those things are going to happen without a deal like this.

Fascinating.

But this is all much more complicated now because the price for a deal like this has gone up.

And by price, you mean?

What Israel would have to give up. [MUSIC PLAYING]

From Saudi Arabia’s perspective, you have an Arab population that is furious at Israel. It now feels like a really hard time to do a normalization deal with the Israelis. It was never going to be easy, but this is about as bad a time to do it as there has been in a generation at least. And I think that President Biden and the people around him understand that the status quo between Israel and the Palestinians is intolerable and it is going to lead to chaos and violence indefinitely.

So now you have two of the three parties to this agreement, the Saudis and the Americans, basically asking a new price after October 7th, and saying to the Israelis, if we’re going to do this deal, it has to not only do something for the Palestinians, it has to do something really big. You have to commit to the creation of a Palestinian state. Now, I’ll be specific and say that what you hear the Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, say is that the agreement has to include an irreversible time-bound path to a Palestinian state.

We don’t know exactly what that looks like, but it’s some kind of a firm commitment, the likes of which the world and certainly the Israelis have not made before.

Something that was very much not present in the pre-October 7th vision of this negotiation. So much so that, as we just talked about, the Palestinians were left feeling completely out in the cold and furious at it.

That’s right. There was no sign that people were thinking that ambitiously about the Palestinians in this deal before October 7th. And the Palestinians certainly felt like they weren’t going to get much out of it. And that has completely changed now.

So, Michael, once this big new dimension after October 7th, which is the insistence by Saudi Arabia and the US that there be a Palestinian state or a path to a Palestinian state, what is the reaction specifically from Israel, which is, of course, the third major party to this entire conversation?

Well, Israel, or at least its political leadership, hates it. You know, this is just an extremely tough sell in Israel. It would have been a tough sell before October 7th. It’s even harder now.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is completely unrepentantly open in saying that there’s not going to be a Palestinian state on his watch. He won’t accept it. He says that it’s a strategic risk to his country. He says that it would, in effect, reward Hamas.

His argument is that terrorism has forced a conversation about statehood onto the table that wasn’t there before October 7th. Sure, it’s always in the background. It’s a perennial issue in global affairs, but it was not something certainly that the US and Israel’s Arab neighbors were actively pushing. Netanyahu also has — you know, he governs with the support of very right-wing members of a political coalition that he has cobbled together. And that coalition is quite likely to fall apart if he does embrace a Palestinian state or a path to a Palestinian state.

Now, he might be able to cobble together some sort of alternative, but it creates a political crisis for him.

And finally, you know, I think in any conversation about Israel, it’s worth bearing in mind something you hear from senior US officials these days, which is that although there is often finger pointing at Netanyahu and a desire to blame Netanyahu as this obstructionist who won’t agree to deals, what they say is Netanyahu is largely reflecting his population and the political establishment of his country, not just the right-wingers in his coalition who are clearly extremist.

But actually the prevailing views of the Israeli public. And the Israeli public and their political leaders across the spectrum right now with few exceptions, are not interested in talking about a Palestinian state when there are still dozens and dozens of Israeli hostages in tunnels beneath Gaza.

So it very much looks like this giant agreement that once seemed doable before October 7th might be more important to everyone involved than ever, given that it’s a plan for rebuilding Gaza and potentially preventing future October 7th’s from happening, but because of this higher price that Israel would have to pay, which is the acceptance of a Palestinian state, it seems from everything you’re saying, that this is more and more out of reach than ever before and hard to imagine happening in the immediate future. So if the people negotiating it are being honest, Michael, are they ready to acknowledge that it doesn’t look like this is going to happen?

Well, not quite yet. As time goes by, they certainly say it’s getting harder and harder, but they’re still trying, and they still think there’s a chance. But both the Saudis and the Biden administration understand that there’s very little time left to do this.

Well, what do you mean there’s very little time left? It would seem like time might benefit this negotiation in that it might give Israel distance from October 7th to think potentially differently about a Palestinian state?

Potentially. But Saudi Arabia wants to get this deal done in the Biden administration because Mohammed bin Salman has concluded this has to be done under a Democratic president.

Because Democrats in Congress are going to be very reluctant to approve a security agreement between the United States and Saudi Arabia.

It’s important to understand that if there is a security agreement, that’s something Congress is going to have to approve. And you’re just not going to get enough Democrats in Congress to support a deal with Saudi Arabia, who a lot of Democrats don’t like to begin with, because they see them as human rights abusers.

But if a Democratic president is asking them to do it, they’re much more likely to go along.

Right. So Saudi Arabia fears that if Biden loses and Trump is president, that those same Democrats would balk at this deal in a way that they wouldn’t if it were being negotiated under President Biden?

Exactly. Now, from President Biden’s perspective, politically, think about a president who’s running for re-election, who is presiding right now over chaos in the Middle East, who doesn’t seem to have good answers for the Israeli-Palestinian question, this is an opportunity for President Biden to deliver what could be at least what he would present as a diplomatic masterstroke that does multiple things at once, including creating a new pathway for Israel and the Palestinians to coexist, to break through the logjam, even as he is also improving Israel’s relations with Saudi Arabia.

So Biden and the Crown Prince hope that they can somehow persuade Bibi Netanyahu that in spite of all the reasons that he thinks this is a terrible idea, that this is a bet worth taking on Israel’s and the region’s long-term security and future?

That’s right. Now, no one has explained very clearly exactly how this is going to work, and it’s probably going to require artful diplomacy, possibly even a scenario where the Israelis would agree to something that maybe means one thing to them and means something else to other people. But Biden officials refuse to say that it’s hopeless and they refuse to essentially take Netanyahu’s preliminary no’s for an answer. And they still see some way that they can thread this incredibly narrow needle.

Michael, I’m curious about a constituency that we haven’t been talking about because they’re not at the table in these discussions that we are talking about here. And that would be Hamas. How does Hamas feel about the prospect of such a deal like this ever taking shape. Do they see it as any kind of a victory and vindication for what they did on October 7th?

So it’s hard to know exactly what Hamas’s leadership is thinking. I think they can feel two things. I think they can feel on the one hand, that they have established themselves as the champions of the Palestinian people who struck a blow against Israel and against a diplomatic process that was potentially going to leave the Palestinians out in the cold.

At the same time, Hamas has no interest in the kind of two-state solution that the US is trying to promote. They think Israel should be destroyed. They think the Palestinian state should cover the entire geography of what is now Israel, and they want to lead a state like that. And that’s not something that the US, Saudi Arabia, or anyone else is going to tolerate.

So what Hamas wants is to fight, to be the leader of the Palestinian people, and to destroy Israel. And they’re not interested in any sort of a peace process or statehood process.

It seems very clear from everything you’ve said here that neither Israel nor Hamas is ready to have the conversation about a grand bargain diplomatic program. And I wonder if that inevitably has any bearing on the ceasefire negotiations that are going on right now between the two of them that are supposed to bring this conflict to some sort of an end, even if it’s just temporary?

Because if, as you said, Michael, a ceasefire opens the door to this larger diplomatic solution, and these two players don’t necessarily want that larger diplomatic solution, doesn’t that inevitably impact their enthusiasm for even reaching a ceasefire?

Well, it certainly doesn’t help. You know, this is such a hellish problem. And of course, you first have the question of whether Israel and Hamas can make a deal on these immediate issues, including the hostages, Palestinian prisoners, and what the Israeli military is going to do, how long a ceasefire might last.

But on top of that, you have these much bigger diplomatic questions that are looming over them. And it’s not clear that either side is ready to turn and face those bigger questions.

So while for the Biden administration and for Saudi Arabia, this is a way out of this crisis, these larger diplomatic solutions, it’s not clear that it’s a conversation that the two parties that are actually at war here are prepared to start having.

Well, Michael, thank you very much. We appreciate it.

On Tuesday afternoon, under intense pressure from the US, delegations from Israel and Hamas arrived in Cairo to resume negotiations over a potential ceasefire. But in a statement, Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made clear that even with the talks underway, his government would, quote, “continue to wage war against Hamas.”

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If and when Israel and Hamas reach a deal for a cease-fire, the United States will immediately turn to a different set of negotiations over a grand diplomatic bargain that it believes could rebuild Gaza and remake the Middle East.

Michael Crowley, who covers the State Department and U.S. foreign policy for The Times, explains why those involved in this plan believe they have so little time left to get it done.

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Michael Crowley , a reporter covering the State Department and U.S. foreign policy for The New York Times.

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Talks on a cease-fire in the Gaza war are once again at an uncertain stage .

Here’s how the push for a deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia looked before Oct. 7 .

From early in the war, President Biden has said that a lasting resolution requires a “real” Palestinian state .

Here’s what Israeli officials are discussing about postwar Gaza.

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