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Bette Midler knows what’s expected of her onstage in 2015.

“I have to sing well, and I have to have a great band,” she said recently. “But my audience, they’ve known me at this point for 50 years. Whether I show up in a fishtail or not, I don’t think it matters to them.”

The fishtail, of course, is a reference to her character Delores DeLago, the mermaid in a wheelchair who (mostly) sits out Midler’s new show. So what does it mean for this veteran entertainer to skip one of her most famous bits?

“It means I had to fill 20 minutes,” she answered with a throaty laugh.

As quick with a quip as ever, Midler, 69, sat down in Hollywood for a chatty interview between rehearsals for what she’s calling the Divine Intervention tour, which hits Southern California this week with concerts Thursday at Staples Center and Friday at Honda Center in Anaheim.

The road show, Midler’s first in a decade, follows the release last year of “It’s the Girls!,” a studio album collecting the singer’s vivid renditions of songs by girl groups from the Boswell Sisters to TLC.

Given that it brought Midler back to music after a stretch spent primarily focused on acting (most notably in the acclaimed Broadway play “I’ll Eat You Last,” about the late talent agent Sue Mengers), “It’s the Girls!” could be thought to have set the table for the tour. Yet Midler admitted she had another, more pressing reason for heading out on the road now.

“I’m old,” she said. “I don’t know how much longer I can do it.”

She also knows that, at a moment when records don’t sell the way they used to, touring is key for performers, even the veterans. “Streisand, McCartney, Mick and the Stones — they all do well,” she said. “People come out for their shows.”

As for more current pop, Midler said she keeps up with what’s happening and recognizes something of her famously eclectic approach in the work of Kelly Clarkson and Bruno Mars (who, like Midler, was born and raised in Honolulu).

“But I don’t feel like I’m really in the swim,” she said, her golden-blond hair slicked back against her head. “I’m sort of on the shoals, just treading water. But I’m comfortable with that.”

For her new concert, Midler said she was after something “smaller and a bit more intimate” than her last production, which she put on at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas beginning in 2008.

“That show was gigantic. I could never top it,” she said. Asked whether she enjoyed the Vegas experience, Midler replied, “I enjoyed it up to a point. Then it was like, ‘Who do you have to sleep with to get out of here?’”

Her stint in Sin City overlapped with the late-’00s economic crash, which hit the rapidly developing town especially hard. “The construction cranes stopped in the middle of the night, and everybody walked off the job,” she recalled. “People with those subprime mortgages just got in their cars and left. I’d never seen anything like it.”

Those on the glittering Strip weren’t insulated from the damage. By the middle of her show’s second year, Midler said, empty seats began creeping forward from the back of the auditorium. “I was like, ‘Oh, my God, this never happened to me in my life.’” Promoters asked to put her on a three-day week, which she couldn’t afford to do. “I had to pay everybody in the show, which was very, very expensive.” Midler finished out the gig in early 2010, but it left a mark.

“I still have $75,000 worth of pantyhose that nobody ever wore,” she said. “Can I offer them to you?”

Olivier Goulet, one of the creative minds behind her new traveling show, said the concept this time was to “bring the theater to arenas,” which the production seeks to accomplish with a proscenium arch that doubles as a surface for various state-of-the-art projections. There are also elaborate costumes and custom choreography by Toni Basil. Yet the focus, Goulet insisted, is Midler herself.

“I wanted to do some new songs, and I wanted to hear a blasting band behind me,” the singer said. “I hired some horns and a real funk rhythm section, which is interesting because I’m not really a funkmeister. But I have my dreams.”

Those new songs include selections from “It’s the Girls!,” which is a far more imaginative record than it might’ve been. For many artists late in their careers, the covers album is where inspiration goes to die (or at least retire).

Yet unlike, say, Rod Stewart’s snoozy series of Great American Songbook discs, Midler’s project puts across real feeling for its material — no surprise, perhaps, given that she’s been doing girl-group tunes since her 1972 debut, “The Divine Miss M,” which paid homage to the Dixie Cups and the Andrews Sisters.

The album, produced by Marc Shaiman, also makes unlikely connections between styles, as in a country-fried take on the Supremes’ “You Can’t Hurry Love” and TLC’s mid-’90s R&B hit “Waterfalls,” remade here as a mournful supper-club ballad.

Midler said that interpretive ability has always come naturally to her, in large part because of her childhood in Hawaii, where pop radio in the 1950s “was about 10 years behind the time.”

So although she “came of age in the rock ‘n’ roll world,” as she put it, she’d earlier been exposed to music from the ‘20s and ‘30s. “I’m really a bridge,” she said.

And where does that bridge lead next? She’d like to make a jazz record, she said, and sing with an orchestra, something she got a taste of at the Academy Awards in 2014 when she performed “Wind Beneath My Wings” during the annual “In Memoriam” sequence. (Look for a spoof, with Delores DeLago in an important role, at Staples.)

“You haven’t heard anything until you’ve stood in front of 90 pieces,” Midler said. “The sound was like a wave.”

Or maybe she’ll go in a different direction. “I know a lot of Hawaiian music, which I never sang,” she said. “Somebody call Bruno!”

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Where: Staples Center, 1111 S. Figueroa St.

When: 8 p.m. Thursday

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Where: Honda Center, 2695 E. Katella Ave., Anaheim

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Bette Midler and Laughing at Disability

July 2, 2014.

I grew when there was no ADA, no social media, and no role models for young, female wheelchair users. Then in the late ’60s, along came Bette Midler , whose music I’d first discovered on the radio. I immediately bought some of her albums (vinyl records then), but it wasn’t until I saw her in concert that I learned that disability was something I could laugh about.

I’ll never forget it: Bette Midler zipping around the stage in an electric wheelchair, with palm trees rising from the back of the chair and dangling coconuts right where she could caress them. In that wheelchair, she danced, she sang and she told (mostly raunchy) jokes.

Did I mention she was wearing a mermaid costume, with her fin/legs stretched out on the footrests? At one point during a song, Bette Midler slipped out of the wheelchair onto the floor — the zaniest wheelchair transfer I’ve ever seen. She got herself back into the chair, mid-song, without using her legs, err, fin.

Delores De Lago, the Toast of Chicago, aka the mermaid, aka Bette Midler, debuted during the singer’s 1978 world concert tour. When it was over, she wrote a book about the adventure, which she recently re-released.

In “A View From A Broad” (Simon & Schuster), the entertainer describes Delores De Lago as “a woman of tremendous ambition and absolutely no pride at all; a woman of tremendous determination and absolutely no skill; a woman of the grandest notions and not the simplest hint of taste.

“Who else would but a woman like that would dream up an act as a mermaid cavorting about the stage in an electric wheelchair, complete with swaying palms and trick coconuts? … Yes, Delores is a pretty tough cookie. But, then, I have a weakness for tough cookies.”

This from the singer who sometimes opened her show as a patient in a hospital bed, which was not, she wrote, “a cheap and tasteless plea for audience sympathy … but rather a bold foray into the political arena which contained within its small but swollen framework, a thoughtful, even angry cry for socialized medicine.”

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Bette Midler's Divine Intervention Tour is classic Bette

The Divine Intervention Tour brought Bette Midler to Phoenix on Sunday, May 24, for a performance whose highlights included a tearful rendition of "Stay With Me," newly recast as a tribute to friends she has lost along the way, and a filthy assortment of Sophie Tucker jokes, the best of which began, "My boyfriend Ernie told me, 'Soph, if you could learn to cook, we could fire the chef."

Which is to say it offered everything people have come to expect in a Midler performance since she hit the scene with "Live at Last" back in the '70s.

During the opening number, "Divine Intervention," Midler told the crowd at US Airways Center, "We're here to lift your spirits — like a boob job for your soul."

And that's exactly what she did.

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At 69, the singer can't do everything she used to, reworking the melody to "The Rose," her first big single, to avoid the notes that may have been a challenge. But her vocals sounded great regardless. And in classic Midler fashion, she found a way to work not only her age but the fact that those who follow her aren't getting any younger, either, into her performance.

During the opening number, after asking if anyone had driven to the concert, Midler quipped, "So good to know so many of my fans can still drive at night." Then, after talking about how fabulous she looks ("I remain a triumph of science and fiction"), she joked that time had maybe been less kind to others in attendance, noting "It's like 50 shades of gray in this section right here."

At one point, Midler had her backup singers, the Harlettes, bring out a couch and oxygen, pretending she was winded for comic effect.

She also worked the Harlettes into one of Sunday's best jokes.

"They used to be fact checkers at Fox News," Midler said. "I snatched them up and nobody even noticed they were gone."

There were 14 musicians onstage backing Midler on Sunday, including a dancing five-man horn section. And they managed to give each song exactly what it needed, from a feisty cover of the girl-group classic "Tell Him" to an understated take on "Do You Wanna Dance" and from the raunchy guitar of the Rolling Stones song "Beast of Burden" to the encore-closing swing of "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy."

"Tell Him" was part of a three-song mini-set devoted to the singer's latest album, a girl-group tribute aptly titled "It's the Girls!" Midler sat at the edge of the stage, surrounded by the Harlettes for a gorgeous version of the Andrews Sisters "Bei Mir Bist Du Schön" and stood alone onstage, the curtain lowered to obscure her musicians, for a dramatic, emotional read on the TLC ballad "Waterfalls."

That mini-set was followed by a comic monologue that started with a bit about our new public obsession with butts and how women now ask, "Do these jeans make my butt look big enough?" That led to the Kardashians, as talk of butt size will, and how the family owed at least a portion of its fame to the Kim Kardashian sex tape.

"I could kick myself," Midler joked, "for not having the brains to monetize my sex life."

This led to a series of photos showing Midler engaged in compromising positions with with everyone from Richard Nixon ("Don't laugh. Why do you think they call him Tricky Dick?") to Bruce Jenner (they painted each other's toes). As Midler announced at the start of the show, "I'm like vodka — ageless, odorless and tasteless."

Not everyone could transition from outrageous sex joke to a maudlin cover of the Leonard Cohen classic "Everybody Knows." But Midler has been mixing her humor with heartache for decades. And so it seemed perfectly logical when "Everybody Knows" was followed by "I Put a Spell on You" with Midler dressed as Winnie Sanderson from "Hocus Pocus" with two Harlettes as her sister witches.

Yes, she went there.

The mood stayed light as the witches gave way to a tap dancing egg in heels on "Optimistic Voices" and the Harlettes as birds in a cage for "Bird in the Hand."

Midler returned to the stage in a bird suit for the comic highlight of the concert, a rapid-fire string of bawdy Sophie Tucker jokes. That hilarious bit was followed by a deadpan Oscar-mocking In Memoriam sequence devoted to Delores Delago, Midler's mermaid character.

A surprisingly raucous "Beast of Burden" ("from my very brief but impactful rock-and-roll period") brought us out of the zaniness before the mood shifted again into the ballad-heavy climax of the show with "Spring Can Really Hang You Up the Most," an understated jazz standard.

"The Rose" was everything it could have been, still gorgeous after all these years, and "From a Distance" was actually better than the studio recording.

But the concert clearly peaked with an emotionally devastating, deeply soulful "Stay With Me" devoted to the people she loved who are "ghosts" now. It earned a spontaneous standing ovation from the crowd and Midler herself seemed moved by the performance.

For the encore, Midler dedicated "Wind Beneath My Wings" to the fans. "This song is for you," she said. "You gave me the greatest life anyone could imagine."

It was a more conversational cabaret-style delivery than the record and it worked. Near the end of the song, I noticed a fan in front of me wiping a tear from his face. So I looked around and saw at least a dozen people in my section having similar reactions. That's a powerful performance and it would have been a perfect way to end the show.

But following that with a spirited romp through "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy" was better than perfect.

Sunday's US Airways Center concert was the eighth stop on the singer's first big U.S. tour since 2004, although she did 300 shows from 2008-2010 in a residency at the Colosseum at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.

"Divine Intervention"

"I Look Good"

"I've Still Got My Health"

"Do You Wanna Dance?" (Bobby Freeman cover)

"Throw It Away"

"Tell Him" (the Exciters cover)

"Bei Mir Bist Du Schön" (Andrews Sisters cover)

"Waterfalls" (TLC cover)

"Everybody Knows" (Leonard Cohen cover)

"I Think It's Going to Rain Today"

"I Put a Spell on You" (Nina Simone cover)

"Optimistic Voices"

"Bird in the Hand"

"A Visit From Soph"

"R.I.P. Delores (The Glory of Love)"

"Beast of Burden" (Rolling Stones cover)

"Spring Can Really Hang You Up the Most" (Ella Fitzgerald cover)

"From a Distance"

"Stay With Me"

"Wind Beneath My Wings"

"Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy" (Andrews Sisters cover)

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Bette midler on her favorite costumes and starting her performing career “in rags, literally”.

The multitalented star, who’ll receive the Distinguished Collaborator honor at the Costume Designers Guild Awards, says, “I’m a sucker for a costume that can do more than one thing.”

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At the 25th Costume Designers Guild Awards (CDGAs) on Feb. 27 at L.A.’s Fairmont Century Plaza, special honorees will include costume designers Deborah L. Scott ( Avatar: The Way of Water ) and Rachael M. Stanley ( Sabrina the Teenage Witch , Ally McBeal ); Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Oscar nominee Angela Bassett, who will receive the Spotlight Award; and Bette Midler , who will be recognized with the Distinguished Collaborator Award .

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Midler got an early taste of the work that goes into costume design when she made her Broadway debut in 1967 as Tzeitel in Fiddler on the Roof . “I started my performing life in rags, literally,” she recalls. “When I played on Broadway in Fiddler on the Roof in the ’60s, I had the chance to examine costumes made by a master, the great Pat Zipprodt. Every piece of clothing was aged, and the skirts were weighted so that they hung properly on the body and moved beautifully during the dances. I had never seen such care and attention to detail, and it made a huge impression on me. I realized costume could carry character a long way, and certainly that it could affect audiences without them quite knowing why.”

Over her storied career, she’s worked with many of the greats in the field of costume design including Robert DeMora, Theoni V. Aldredge, Rosanna Norton, Albert Wolsky and Bob Mackie.

Most recently, she paired up with designer Sal Perez, a 2023 CDGA nominee for Hocus Pocus 2 , on updating the sumptuous dress that her character Winifred Sanderson wore in the original 1993 film. “It’s so exciting for him, and he is a just doll,” says Midler of Perez. “We had so much fun, and although audiences have been familiar with that Mary Vogt costume for 30 years, it needed that extra Sal Perez touch of love to update it. He added sparkling stones, a ton of hand painting, plenty of layers of chiffon in very intense colors, and wool for warmth, because we were in Rhode Island in the winter. I adore that costume, although it takes 45 minutes to get into!”

Asked to name some of her favorite costumes of her storied career, she says, “I’ve loved them all, really. That said, I loved  Hocus Pocus , everything I wore in Santo Loquasto’s Hello Dolly [on Broadway], Ann Roth’s caftan for Sue Mengers in I’ll Eat You Last , and Constance Hoffman’s costumes for The Showgirl Must Go On [Vegas residency] and Kiss My Brass [concert tour], especially my ‘Tattoo’ dress.  Brilliant and beautiful.”

When it boils down to, says Midler — having collaborated with so many talented costumers over the years — is “respect. I love all handicrafts. My mom was brilliant. She made all our clothes for years. So when I meet a costume designer, I know that they come with huge stores of knowledge of fabric, construction, history, psychology, decoration … and I respect that knowledge. They always know more than you.”

As for what she will wear to accept the CDGA Distinguished Collaborator Award on Monday night, Midler was undecided 12 days before, but teased, “I’m still trying to come up with something worthy of the occasion! Maybe I’ll wear something from the archive!”

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In a tweet on Saturday , Midler wrote "Dear @ladygaga Ive been doing singing mermaid in a wheelchair since 1980-You can keep the meat dress and the firecracker tits-mermaid's mine." Actually, Midler has been performing as Delago since her 1978 world tour.

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P-Valley star Brandee Evans has joined Sheryl Lee Ralph in the upcoming film The Fabulous Four.

Black Film and TV reports that Evans is joining the cast, which sees Ralph star alongside Susan Sarandon, Bette Midler , and Megan Mullally in the upcoming comedy set for a July 26, 2024, release date.

The film follows three longtime friends (Ralph, Sarandon, and Mullally) who go to Key West to be bridesmaids at the surprise wedding of their college friend Marilyn (Midler). With all four women back together, “sisterhoods are rekindled, the past rises again in all its glory, and there are enough sparks, drinks, and romance to change all their lives in ways they never expected,” according to the logline. Evans will play Ralph’s daughter. Evans is also set to reprise her role as Mercedes in the upcoming season of P-Valley, one of Starz’s hit series. In 2021, Evans told Shadow and Act that the series’ uniqueness comes from its placing the female gaze front and center.

“I don’t think on TV you’ve really seen what happens truly at home on any show that you try to compare us to, and we’re going to continue to break that barrier. This isn’t anything you’ve ever seen before, P-Valley stands alone in that sense,” she said.”And it’s shot from a woman’s gaze, which I think is so beautiful and Katori [Hall] is going to continue on with those female directors this season as well. It’s a beautiful moment when you’re able to see it through a woman’s eyes and mostly with a woman’s perspective on the show.”

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Lady Gaga vs. Bette Midler: Fight! On Thursday, both performers were nominated for Emmys for outstanding performance in a comedy, variety, or musical special, but this week, there’s a feud afoot. (A-fin?) Lady Gaga performed in Sydney last week dressed as her mermaid character Yuyi, and thus was confined to a wheelchair on account of her mermaid fin. As Ariel told us, legs are required for jumping, dancing. And no one knows this better than Midler, who has performed her own mermaid-in-a-wheelchair routine for quite some time. (Do we really live in a world with two mermaid-in-a-wheelchair song-and-dance numbers?) Here’s Midler in 1983 performing with a whole backup set of mermaids in wheelchairs, though Midler does manage to jump around despite her fin:

“I’m not sure @ladygaga knows that I’ve performed my mermaid in a wheelchair for millions of people — and many of them are still alive,” Midler tweeted . “I’ve been doing singing mermaid in a wheelchair since 1980. You can keep the meat dress and the firecracker tits — mermaid’s mine,” she wrote. Gaga hasn’t responded yet, but Midler seems ready to bury the bedazzled hatchet: “Let’s drink this over at the Emmys in September. Fabulous mermaids can coexist!” Truer words, etc. [ HuffPo ]

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‘Bette’ Sitcom Was a Mistake, So Was Not Suing Lindsay Lohan, Says Bette Midler

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Venerable actor Bette Midler says that her partially-autobiographical 2000 sitcom “Bette” represented a series of mistakes.

Among the errors, was her decision not to sue Lindsay Lohan , who appeared as her daughter in the pilot episode, but who did not continue in the following 16 episodes which broadcast on CBS in the U.S.

Midler unpacked her regrets on “Fail Better,” a podcast hosted by fellow star David Duchovny . “’Bette.’ A big, big mistake. I think for several reasons,” Midler said.

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Midler, who was executive producer on “Bette,” also pointed the finger at herself.

“I didn’t realize what the pace was, and I didn’t understand what the hierarchy was, and no one bothered to tell me,” she said. “Well, I was kicked to the curb immediately and I didn’t know what to do about it… I didn’t know that I could have taken charge, that I could have asserted, because I think because I was so terrified of being branded a grandstander.”

She added: “It was a part of the media I simply did not understand,” Midler continued. “I watched it. I appreciated it. it, I enjoyed it, but I didn’t know what it meant to make [a TV series.] I had made theatrical live events, I had made films, I had made variety television shows, I had been on talk shows, but I had never done a situation comedy.”

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Bette Midler Partially Blames Lindsay Lohan for Her Failed Sitcom “Bette:” 'She Had Bigger Fish to Fry'

B ette Midler got candid on David Duchovy's new podcast about her failed 2000 TV series 'Bette', which was supposed to star Lindsay Lohan as her daughter

Bette Midler is getting candid about her failed sitcom Bette.

"It was a big, big mistake," she told David Duchovny on the most recent episode of his Fail Better podcast.

The series, which launched on CBS in 2000 and ran for one season with 16 episodes, was largely autobiographical, starring Midler as a famous singer and actress who was adored by fans.

In the pilot episode, Lindsay Lohan played her 13-year-old daughter Rose, but Midler revealed that Lohan, now 37, eventually dropped out of the project, which she feels may have contributed to the show being a flop.

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“Things happened that were so astonishing," Midler told Duchovny. "I didn't know those things could happen. For instance, Lindsay Lohan was cast as my daughter in the pilot. Well, after the pilot, Lindsay Lohan decided she didn't want to do it. Or she had other fish to fry. So Lindsay Lohan left the building. and I said, well, now what do you do?”

Midler said she also played a big part in why the show didn't do well. " Bette . Does it get any more generic than that? Bette . A big, big mistake. I think for several reasons," she said, poking fun at the sitcom's name.

"It was the wrong motivation. It was a part of the media I simply did not understand," Midler continued. "I watched it. I appreciated it. it, I enjoyed it, but I didn't know what it meant to make [a TV series.] I had made theatrical live events, I had made films, I had made variety television shows, I had been on talk shows, but I had never done a situation comedy."

Midler, who was an EP on the show, says that she didn't quite grasp what her role was on the show, and looking back, she wishes that she'd done more to control the series' direction.

"I didn't realize what the pace was, and I didn't understand what the hierarchy was, and no one bothered to tell me," she said. "Well, I was kicked to the curb immediately and I didn't know what to do about it… I didn't know that I could have taken charge, that I could have asserted, because I think because I was so terrified of being branded a grandstander.”

Related: Bette Midler Reveals Why She Turned Down 'Sister Act' : 'My Fans Don't Want to See Me in a Wimple'

At the time, Lohan's star was on the rise, after the success of her 1998 film The Parent Trap . Her career-making movies Freaky Friday and Mean Girls wouldn't come out until 2003 and 2004, respectfully.

Fail Better , which is a new podcast from Lemonada, features Duchovy talking to high-profile guests like Midler (and recently Ben Stiller ) about their biggest fails and what they learned from them.

On the podcast's homepage, Duchovny, 63, explains the reasoning behind his show's launch. "I feel like I’ve been failing my entire life, so I can speak from plenty of experience," he writes.

"Sure, I was on The X Files and Californication , I wrote some books and made some music. But I also got a literal F in The New York Times . I had a high-profile divorce and a magical mystery tour through rehab. So now I want to get into the way that failure looms over all of us and really shapes who we are. What’s good about that, what’s bad about that, what’s holding us back in shame."

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The failed CBS show only ran for one season and ended after Lohan suddenly jumped ship, Midler told  David Duchovny on his “Fail Better” podcast .

“Lindsay Lohan was cast as my daughter in the pilot. Well, after the pilot, Lindsay Lohan decided she didn’t want to do it,” Midler said. “Or she had other fish to fry. So, Lindsay Lohan left the building. And I said, ‘well, now what do you do?'”

Reflecting on how she could have handled the “extremely chaotic” situation differently, Midler says she should have sued Lohan for walking out after the pilot.

“If I had been in my right mind, or if I had known that part of my duties were to stand up and say, ‘This absolutely will not do, I’m going to sue,’ then I would have done that. But I seem to have been cosseted in some way that I couldn’t get to the writers’ room. I couldn’t speak to the showrunner. I couldn’t make myself clear.”

“I didn’t know that I could have taken charge, that I could have asserted, because I think I was so terrified of being branded a grandstander.”

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It’s important to note Lohan was a child actor at the time, so it’s unlikely she intentionally plotted the show’s downfall.

Still, Midler believes the series’ brief stint was “a big, big, big mistake.”

“I think for several reasons. It was the wrong motivation. It was a part of the media I simply did not understand. I watched it. I appreciated it. I enjoyed it, But I didn’t know what it meant to make it.”

“Bette” ran from October 2000 through March 2001 on CBS.

Despite the show’s short-lived run, Lohan seems to have fond memories of her former boss. She posted a throwback snap of the duo just last week captioned, “Had such a blast filming with the incredible @bettemidler.”

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Bette Midler Talks About Lindsay Lohan Dropping Out of Her Failed Sitcom Bette: 'She Had Other Fish to Fry'

Bette Midler got candid on David Duchovy's new podcast about her 2000 TV series 'Bette', which was supposed to star Lindsay Lohan as her daughter

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Bette Midler is getting candid about her failed sitcom Bette.

"It was a big, big mistake," she told David Duchovny on the most recent episode of his Fail Better podcast.

The series, which launched on CBS in 2000 and ran for one season with 16 episodes, was largely autobiographical, starring Midler as a famous singer and actress who was adored by fans.

In the pilot episode, Lindsay Lohan played her 13-year-old daughter Rose, but Midler revealed that Lohan, now 37, eventually dropped out of the project, which she feels may have contributed to the show being a flop.

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“Things happened that were so astonishing," Midler told Duchovny. "I didn't know those things could happen. For instance, Lindsay Lohan was cast as my daughter in the pilot. Well, after the pilot, Lindsay Lohan decided she didn't want to do it. Or she had other fish to fry. So Lindsay Lohan left the building. and I said, well, now what do you do?”

Midler said she also played a big part in why the show didn't do well. " Bette . Does it get any more generic than that? Bette . A big, big mistake. I think for several reasons," she said, poking fun at the sitcom's name.

"It was the wrong motivation. It was a part of the media I simply did not understand," Midler continued. "I watched it. I appreciated it. it, I enjoyed it, but I didn't know what it meant to make [a TV series.] I had made theatrical live events, I had made films, I had made variety television shows, I had been on talk shows, but I had never done a situation comedy."

Midler, who was an EP on the show, says that she didn't quite grasp what her role was on the show, and looking back, she wishes that she'd done more to control the series' direction.

"I didn't realize what the pace was, and I didn't understand what the hierarchy was, and no one bothered to tell me," she said. "Well, I was kicked to the curb immediately and I didn't know what to do about it… I didn't know that I could have taken charge, that I could have asserted, because I think because I was so terrified of being branded a grandstander.”

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At the time, Lohan's star was on the rise, after the success of her 1998 film The Parent Trap . Her career-making movies Freaky Friday and Mean Girls wouldn't come out until 2003 and 2004, respectfully.

Fail Better , which is a new podcast from Lemonada, features Duchovy talking to high-profile guests like Midler (and recently Ben Stiller ) about their biggest fails and what they learned from them.

On the podcast's homepage, Duchovny, 63, explains the reasoning behind his show's launch. "I feel like I’ve been failing my entire life, so I can speak from plenty of experience," he writes.

"Sure, I was on The X Files and Californication , I wrote some books and made some music. But I also got a literal F in The New York Times . I had a high-profile divorce and a magical mystery tour through rehab. So now I want to get into the way that failure looms over all of us and really shapes who we are. What’s good about that, what’s bad about that, what’s holding us back in shame."

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