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Sugino Mighty Tour Crankset ABK/Color/BLK/Specifications/JIS Taper 170mm

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• PCD110 Compact Crankset
• For double use, BB sold separately

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P.C.D. : 4.3 inches (110 mm) Type: 4-TAPER (JIS) Compatibility: Shimano 11 Speed / 10 Speed Color: Black Crank: Forged aluminum alloy Chain Line: 1.7 inches (43.5 mm) (CBBAL-110) Product Nocollar/Size: Niteite. High-image dares for reference Ninarimus. Product Title: Gagozaimus is used in the image of the product title. "actual size may vary or actual color may vary"

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Sugino Mighty Tour Cranks - BCD 110

• 165mm - black
• 170mm - black
• 170mm - silver polished
• 172.5mm - black
• 172.5mm - silber poliert
• 175mm - black
• 175mm - silver polished

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Sugino Mighty Tour Cranks - BCD 110.

high-quality manufactured Tour / Road crank arm set from Sugino Made of aluminum PCD 5 x 110mm JIS square Single or Double chainwheel can be mounted Very nice polished finish

Sugino Mighty Tour TD4 Crankarm

The classic style crank succeeded the name of the famous "Mighty" of the 1970's and 80's, with beautiful finish, incorporating latest technologies, match well with both modern and classic bikes.

Specifications:

• #403 chainring fixing bolt & nut set is included
• P.C.D. : 110mm Axle Type : 4-taper (SG Mighty taper)
• Crank length : 160, 165, 167.5, 170, 172.5, 175
• Chain line : 43.5mm (CBBAL-110/CBBF-110)
• Crank Material : Forged aluminum alloy
• Color : Silver / Black

Photo Credit: Sugino

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Cranksets on this page: Mighty Tour Triplizer 165mm | Mighty Tour Triplizer 175mm | AT triple 170mm with 28/40/50 rings | AT 170mm triple with 24/39/50 rings | MP 170 triple crankset | RD2 170mm triple | Impel triple 175mm right arm with rings | MP 175mm triple right crank arm | VP 170mm crankset | VP 170mm crank arms | Mighty Tour 170mm triple | Mighty Tour 171mm double | Super Mighty Competition 170mm | Mighty Competition 171mm | Mighty 171mm crank arms

Also: Sugino single-speed crankets are here | Sugino tandem cranksets are here

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Sugino is one of the oldest bicycle component companies in the world. The factory opened in 1910 in Nara, near Osaka Japan.

There was a time when Sugino's cranksets were everywhere. In the 1970s and 1980s, before Shimano's overwhelming dominance, Sugino cranksets were big sellers and highly desired. Sugino chainrings of the era were compatible with Campagnolo and cost a fraction of the Italian maker's product, making them the go-to replacement.

But, like SunTour and Dia Compe, Sugino was run over by the relentless Shimano steamroller. The company did survive, and though much smaller than in its glory days, it still produces fine product. And, it is still run by the Sugino family.

Sugino Mighty Tour Triplizer crankset, 165mm arms, 24-36-48 rings. New, $300.00

Part# 61230

New, and beautifully made.

It is new in the box.

Sugino Mighty Tour Triplizer crankset, 175mm arms, 24-36-48 rings. New, $300.00

Part# 61235

175mm, new, and ready to go.

It will come in the factory box.

Sugino AT 170mm triple crankset, 28/40/50 rings. Used, $150.00

• 110 BCD for the large and middle ring, 74mm BCD for the inner ring.
• We believe the Sugino AT was the first crankset made with a 110/74 BCD pattern. This became the standard for triple road and mountain bikes until Compact & Micro Drive appeared.
• Produced in the 1980s
• This crankset uses a 127.5mm bottom bracket spindle
• We have sold the crankset pictured below, but we have one more set in stock.

Lightly used

The flip side

Here's what a Sugino AT crankset looks like mounted on a bike.

Sugino AT 170mm triple crankset with 24/39/50 rings. Very lightly used, $150.00/crankset

Part# 60123

Very nearly new. Only the middle ring really has discernable use.

Here's just the right crank

Back of the right crank

The left arm

Back of the left arm

Sugino MP 170mm triple crankset with steel 50/40/28 rings. New, $50.00

• 110mm BCD main chainrings and 74mm inner ring
• Arms are aluminum alloy, rings are steel

New, with a slight touch of shopwear

Just as nice flipped over

Sugino RD2 170mm triple crankset with 30/42/52 rings. Used, $65.00/set

• The two outer rings have a 130 BCD.
• This crankset was made to work with a 113mm length spindle.
• A slightly different version of this RD2 crank is still in production and has become popular as a single-speed crankset.

In excellent condition

The back of the crankset

Info stamped on the back of the left arm.

Sugino Impel 175mm right arm with 20/32/42-tooth chainrings. Used, $40.00

Crank arm front

Flipped over. You can see the chainrings have pins and ramps. Plus, the inner 20-tooth ring will get you up anything you need to get over.

Sugino MP 110 175mm triple right crank arm. Used, $20.00

• Made for 110mm BCD main chainrings and 74mm BCD inner rings
• This is a used arm that had been spray-painted black and then partially cleaned.

And the other side

Sugino VP 170mm crankset with 36/52 steel rings. Used, $55.00

And the same Sugino VP crankset turned over.

Sugino VP 170 mm, 110 BCD crankarms. Used, $55.00/set

The inner set of holes on the drive crank arm can be tapped to make a triple crankset.

Sugino Mighty Tour 170mm triple crankset with 36/49/53 rings. Lightly used, $200.00

Chrainrings are 110 BCD

The cranks flipped over

From a slightly different angle

Sugino 171mm Mighty Tour 110 BCD crankset with 38/47 chainrings. Used, $200.00

This crankset can be converted to a triple two ways:

• Use the 110 BCD spider, replace the double chainring fixing bolts with a triple set and mount an inner ring.
• Or, a smaller inner ring with a smaller BCD can be mounted using the holes in the crank arm spider. This was was done at one time with this crankset. Marks on this crank arm from mounting a smaller ring can be seen most clearly in this crankset's final picture (the 7th).

Here's the crankset flipped over.

The right arm and rings

The back of the right crank

The back of the left arm.

Close-up of the right arm and spider. You can see the marks on the spider someone made mounting a small inner ring.

Sugino 170mm Super Mighty Competition crankset with 42/52 chainrings. Used, $150.00

The crank spider has been relieved and the chainrings have been lightened.

Here's the back of the crankset

Sugino 171mm Mighty Competition crankset with 42/49 chainrings. Used, $150.00

• This was the go-to crankset for those of us of a certain age who couldn't (or wouldn't) buy Campagnolo Nuovo Record. The quality is first-rate and the 144BCD chainrings are interchangeable with Campagnolo Nuovo Record.
• Sugino began producing this crankset in 1971, like ours, initially in a 171mm length.
• This crankset was original equipment on some Gitane Tour de France bikes of the mid-1970s.

Sugino Mighty 171mm 144 BCD crank arms, crank & chainring bolts, dustcaps. Used, $125.00/as described and pictured.

The "Mighty" version of this crankset (as pictured below) has the lightened, relieved arms.

In lovely condition

Here's just the right arm.

The back of the right arm

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Sugino Mighty Tour crank crankset 110 mm LK in silver

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• Order number: 041003
• Available in two versions, 110 bolt circle for touring bikes/Randonneurcan also be used as a single speed crank
• Quality from Japan by Sugino - indestructible, high end crank with typical Sugino quality and finish
• Large selection of crank lengths
• classic square axle adapter JIS
• Weight at 170 mm - 502 grams
• highest variety of chainring combinations due to the small bolt circle of 110 mm on the Tour crank
• Delivery includes: Crank set in carton "with chainring bolts
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Sugino Mighty Tour Crankset: 52/42t x 110mm Compact - 170mm (Spider damage, display only - LOW MILES)

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*Note that the back of the spider and cutouts have damage, and these should not be ridden. More details below

This crank is a bit of an unknown, as instead of the usual engraved Sugino logo there's a relief area in place where  a decal could have gone.  The date codes lead to 1981/1982 which I think should still have the engraved logos.  The reverse side of the arms do say Mighty Tour, and the rest of the arms/rings match what a Mighty Tour looks like.  This one is a compact 110mm for cyclocross, touring, and randonneur gearing (even though it comes with standard road 52/42t rings.

As pretty and clean as this crank is, it has some weird marred up spots on the back of the spider and inside of the cutouts.  Unknown cause, and luckily it's not really visible from the front of the crank. There are gouges into the back edges of the cutouts, and I would say this crank should not be ridden.

Aesthetically, it's near mint and show bike condition with quite low miles. Arm ends are just barely scratched. Arm surfaces are super clean with just some light marks.  No heel rub. Chainrings show minimal wear.   

• 52t & 42t chain rings
• 110mm compact BCD 5 bolt

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This short Moscow tour will give you a true taste of the history, culture and incomparable urban vibe that define one of the world’s largest metropolises. In just three days, this Moscow itinerary takes in all the most iconic sights of this attraction-packed destination. After two and half days getting acquainted with the city, we’ve set time aside for you to explore Moscow your way and discover your own favourite hang-outs in a city overflowing with hidden treasures

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• Panoramic Tour of Moscow: See Moscow beyond the postcard images on a private excursion by car through the city streets including a drive along the banks of the Moskva River. Visit the famous Bolshoi Theatre, pass by Gorky Park and the Novodevichy Convent, and admire the city from on high at the Sparrow Hill observation platform.
• Moscow Historical City Centre Guided Walking Tour : Immerse yourself in the atmosphere of one of the world’s biggest metropolises and discover local haunts on foot, including the Red Square, the Kremlin and the multi-coloured domes of St Basil’s Cathedral.
• Armory Chamber tour: Explore the endless treasures of this unique museum, displaying the wealth accumulated by Russian rulers from the 12th century until the October Revolution of 1917. Walking through the exhibition halls is a journey through the centuries.
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Day two kicks off exploring Moscow’s historic centre on foot, followed by a tour of the Kremlin, the seat of Russian power and political intrigue for centuries. Stand in the Red Square, surrounded by the stunning architecture as you hear stories of the people and events behind many of Moscow’s most iconic landmarks.

On your final day, we’ll head beneath the city for a tour of the Moscow Metro and its famously ornate underground stations. Art lovers should hit up one of Moscow’s many world-class galleries such as the Tretyakov State Gallery, the Pushkin Museum or Garage, Moscow’s cutting-edge contemporary art museum. History fans can follow a Soviet trail through the city including Stalin’s Bunker, while those seeking a more indulgent experience can browse trendy neighbourhoods like Kitay Gorod or shop for everything from fashion to kitsch souvenirs at the enchanting Izmaylovo Flea Market. Foodies can head to one of the countless speciality stores sampling vodka, caviar and chocolate.

If you only have a few days to spend in Moscow, this tour will ensure you make the most of your time in the city. Let the experts navigate you through this complex and occasionally overwhelming capital, giving you plenty of time to soak up the city’s most unmissable attractions.

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Day 1 Panoramic city tour

Welcome to the glorious capital of Russia, Moscow! You’ll be met by your driver at the airport and taken to your centrally located hotel.

After check-in and rest, meet your private guide at the hotel lobby for a comprehensive tour of Moscow by car. Visit the starkly contrasting Theatre Square to see the stunning Bolshoi Theatre, pass Tverskaya Street, the city’s main boulevard and home to the landmark Yeleseyevskiy Grocery Store.

You’ll enjoy a panoramic drive along the Moskva River, where a huge, controversial state of Peter the Great was erected. Pass by the legendary Gorky Park and the White House before a stop at the architecturally stunning Novodevichy Convent, and the observation platform at Sparrow Hills, for a bird’s eye view over this staggering megalopolis.

Day 2 Red Square and Kremlin

After breakfast at the hotel, your guide will take you on a walking tour of the historical city centre. Stroll through the Red Square, the hub of cultural life in Moscow, with its elaborate ‘stone flower’ fountain and fantasy-like St Basil’s Cathedral – a postcard-perfect symbol of the nation. Admire the grandiose façade of GUM, the city’s most luxurious shopping centre, and visit Alexander’s Garden, with its eternal flame and the chance to watch a changing of the guards.

Break for lunch before continuing on a tour of the Kremlin and Armoury Chamber, famous of its collection of tsarist fashion, with regalia such as jewel-encrusted crowns, orbs and sceptres as well as arms and armour, exotic gifts from the leaders of faraway lands, and an illustrious case of Imperial Faberge eggs.

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The afternoon is free for you to either enjoy the rest of the day on your own or choose among optional excursions to explore more of Moscow. Visit the Tretyakov Gallery or Pushkin State Museum to admire Russian art. Join locals for a stroll at the Gorky or VDNH park.

Visit beautiful Kolomeskoye Estate or Izmailovo Kremlin, or spend a day exploring the beautiful city of the Golden Ring (Russian province) - Sergiev Posad. In the evening you will be transferred to the airport for your departure to your next destination.

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On any of the free guided tours we offer in Moscow , you will be able to find a selection of many tours which are available in different languages and at different times of day, like the morning, afternoon, and evening. Since Moscow is such a large metropolis, getting your bearings by doing a guruwalk with a local guide who will show you all Moscow’s hidden gems is a great idea. This way you get to learn as much as possible about the local culture and way of life. A trip to Moscow wouldn't be complete without visiting iconic places like St Basil’s Cathedral, Lenin’s Mausoleum, the Pushkin State Museum of Fine Arts, or the State Historical Museum, before getting some fresh air at Gorky Park, the medieval church of Kolomenskoye, or shopping at Izmailovsky Market. Don’t miss visiting the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour, the Bolshoi Theater, or checking out the Tsaritsyno Museum-Reserve. 

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Best of Moscow by high speed train

By shuguley , February 15, 2014 in Regent Seven Seas Cruises

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.

Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?

My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

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If you are considering this on the 2015 June Baltic cruise on Voyager; my suggestion is don't. There is so much to do in St. Petersburg and although a train is one of my favorite ways to travel the time would be far better spent in St. P.

Thanks for the advice. Yes, this would be on the Voyager during the 2015 season but not yet sure exactly which cruise.

We did the Moscow excursion "on a different luxury line", but from your brief description it sounds very much like the same trip, so I will operate on that assumption. It is a VERY long day! We left the ship at 5:30 AM and returned at 12:30 AM. The highspeed train trip is comfortable, and while they call it "Business Class" it does not compare well to the equivalent class on say Rail Europe. When we did it in 2011, we did have highspeed both ways, and the trip back seemed much longer as the adrenaline and excitement had worn off!:D

Moscow itself is not that terribly different from any other big city in the world, but this Cold War kid never thought he would ever stand in Red Square, never mind walk the grounds of The Kremlin, or tour The Kremlin Palace, or see (but not visit) Lenin's Tomb, or visit The Armoury. But he did, and he loved every minute of it! Yes, it is a long day, and you barely scratch a scratch on the surface, but it is worth it. There is a tremendous amount to see in St. Petersburg, but every Baltic cruise goes to St. Petersburg, so you can go back if you choose to. Not every cruiseline offers you the chance to see Moscow.

I have not personally done this tour, but our last time in St Petersburg, the private guide that we hired for a day was leading the regent tour to Moscow on the high speed train the next day. He said it was way better than the previous alternative, which was flying to Moscow and back. He said that you actually got to Moscow faster because you didn't have to deal with airline checkin etc. it did seem like a very long day to me, and there is so much to see and do in st. Petersburg that I didn't consider doing it.

countflorida

We toured to Moscow from St. Petersburg via the hi-speed SAPSAN train last September, from a Baltic cruise on the Oceania Marina. You need to have a two-night, three day port call in St. Petersburg to take this tour because the tour typically leaves the ship around 5:00 - 5:30 AM and doesn't return until after midnight the next day. We didn't take the ship's tour; we made private arrangements with TravelAllRussia for three days of touring, the first and third days in St. Petersburg and the second day the tour to Moscow by train. Our cost for the private tour for three days was about the same as what the ship charged for the excursion to Moscow alone. There are a number of private tour agencies that operate in St. Petersburg and offer the Moscow train tours; we would strongly recommend them over the ship's tours.

All three days had private guides with car and driver. The second day, the driver picked us up at the ship and took us to the train, but we were alone on the train, and met in Moscow by the guide on the station platform. After our tour and dinner, we were brought back to the train and after the return train trip met by the driver and taken back to the ship. Because you are alone on the train you must have your own Russian visas.

If this is your first visit to St. Petersburg, I would agree there is much more to see there. We found Moscow somewhat a disappointment, particularly Red Square. The Kremlin and the cathedral in Red Square were also worth seeing. But the best thing we saw was the Moscow subway! I worked for the Washington Metro system back in the 1980s as it grew from 40 to 80 miles and although I was in the computer area, I learned a lot about the challenges of running a subway system. We used the Moscow system to get across the city from where we had dinner to the train station, and I was amazed at the cleanliness', speed of operation, the short headways maintained, and the courtesy of everyone involved. A very impressive experience!

We had been to St. Petersburg before, and so had the time to take a day and go to Moscow. Also, I really like trains, and the SAPSAN is a German train set running on Russian rails. Seats are like first class domestic air, spacious but not too plush or comfortable, but with enough room. Not too much recline, and almost 8 hours on the train in two shots is a lot for an old man. They come through and sell drinks, candy, etc. but the sellers don't speak English and no one around us helped, so we had just poor coffee once coming, and brought stuff with us for the trip back. Not too much to see from the train either, particularly on the return when it is night the whole way.

If you decide to go, take a private tour and avoid the overly expensive ship's tour. I'm glad we did it, but wouldn't bother to repeat the tour; we've seen Moscow.

Thanks so much to all of you for the thorough and thought insight. Yhe information you have provided is most helpful.

countflorida: Your detailed post is very helpful. We are not quite ready for a Baltic cruise but should do so within a year. Time enough to do our pre travel research, bookings and visa gathering.:) Thank you!

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Sure would appreciate someone who has taken "Best of Moscow by high speed train" from St. Petersburg could please share their impressions of this shore excursion. From the description this sounds like a very long day.   Wondering how the 4 hour train trip was in terms of accommodations, etc. Also what time did you leave the ship and what time at night did you return? Were both legs of the trip on the high speed rail (I read that slower trains also travel the same tracks)?   My wife and I are considering this excursion. We thought that if we are making all the effort to go to Russia then how could we pass up going to Moscow, walking in Red Square, seeing St. Basil, etc.

I did this on Seabourn. IMO DONT. Take Aeroflop (er Aeroflot). The train has non folding seats where you are literally knee to knee with your fellow passenger (facing each other). Further they don't believe in air conditioning. It's also the worlds slowed bullet train. I think I would have found more enjoyment wandering around the St. Petersburg and Moscow airports.

Countflorida,

This is a little off topic,, however we had planned a river cruise in Russia but decided we would rather stay on land and have booked about two weeks with Travel-All-Russia using the private guide and driver. I'm curious as to how you found them as a tour company.

The guides they provided were fine. We had a different guide each of the days in St. Petersburg, but both were flexible, pleasant, knowledgeable and spoke English very well, as did the guide in Moscow, incidentally. She was a bit aloof, distant, not too friendly, but otherwise fine. In fact, she was the one who suggested taking the Metro, which unexpectedly became one of the highlights of the Moscow excursion. If I have a complaint with AllTravelRussia, it is with their plan and its execution (more later).

I had requested emphasis on World War II (in Russia, the Great Patriotic War) sites and info. In scheduling us, they weren't careful about dates and a couple of the sites we wanted to see were scheduled on the third day, after we'd been to Moscow. But both sites were closed that day of the week, and that info was readily available, right on web sites describing them. Also, the included meals (lunches in St. Pete, dinner in Moscow) were not what we asked for: light meals with some choices, so we could avoid things we didn't like and choose things we did like. My request was ignored; we were given full Russian meals with a fixed menu, no choice. On the first day, a fish dish was the entre, but I am allergic to fish. Fortunately, I had the e-mail I'd sent with me and showed it to the guide, and she was able to change my entre to chicken, which was very good actually. But we didn't want a 3-4 course lunches or dinner (in Moscow). We had the guide drop the lunch the third day, although we never got any credit or refund. But, particularly in contrast to the ship's tours, the prices were so reasonable we didn't worry too much about it.

The people who were on the ship's tour to Moscow saw us boarding the same train for which they were forced to queue up and wait on the way back, and asked us what we had done. I was candid and open so they were not happy when I explained what we had arranged and particularly what it had cost. Also, when we returned to the ship, we found they had laid on a late supper for those who had gone to Moscow, so up we went and had something. Well, it turns out the late supper was supposed to be just for those on the ship's tour, but we and others on 'independent' tours, there were a dozen or more of us, crashed the party, actually got there first, and they didn't realize it until the larger group arrived and there weren't enough tables/places set. By that time, the 'independents' had all gotten served and were eating; what could they do?

A couple from the larger group sat down with us and asked us about our tour, and they were the ones I told about our arrangement and its cost. They turned to others who’d been with them and announced the details, loudly enough so the whole room heard, which started a lot of bitching and complaining. I gathered they weren't very happy with the ship's tour to begin with, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. We finished up and beat it out of there, but overheard later that one of the excursion staff came to check on something and ran into a real mess. I caught a cold on the trip, which forced me to bed the second day following in Tallinn, so by the time we reappeared we heard about the contretemps' but apparently no one recalled who started it, thankfully.

Because of what happened to us, I would probably not use AllTravelRussia if I were to go again, or if I did, I would be sure to get confirmation of every detail of the tour. They do have good reviews generally, and we were certainly helped by their visa department and liked the guides and drivers. Their weakness, I say now with full 20:20 hindsight, is that once the sales person who plans the tour, sells it to you and collects your money, he (or she) transfers the plan to their Russia office for implementation; there is no follow-up to make sure it gets done right. And that is where our problems arose; we paid for a custom tour but got a standard package with a few destinations switched, and no one checked them out, even to see when they were open the day we were scheduled to go. If you check every detail that’s important to you, it should be OK, but that’s a hell of a way to have to do business, in my opinion.

Thank you for the 20/20 hindsight observation on your Russian tour operator, and better priced than the ship's excursion cost.

Thanks very much for the feedback.

We had the same experience as you so far as price. We originally booked a Viking Cruise but, hearing some things about the river cruises that made us unhappy, looked into other options. T-A-R cost the same or less than a cruise and had us in hotels for 11 days. We opted for the private tour. They have three tour levels, based on hotels. We originally opted for the four star as it did not cost much more than the three star hotels. Finally we decided to throw it all in and upgraded to five star. In Moscow we will be at the newly opened Kempinsky which is two blocks from Red Square. In St. Petersburg it is the Grand Hotel Europe, one of the most vaunted luxury hotels in Russia. Location is important for us as the tours use up only part of the day so being in the center of everything for our independent touring is important. As with many other cities, the less you pay, the farther out of the center of town you are.

We have been working with our salesman in D.C. and he seems to get back to us with the changes we want. He recently returned from Russia so is up on everything. When I asked they said they paid the full TA commission if I wanted so I got my usual TA on board so he is watching our back and giving us that extra level of comfort. He also set up our air, which I know pays him little or nothing, and got us business class for much less than T-A-R wanted for economy, though it took working for a while with a consolidator. He's happy to get his 10 percent on this trip without having booked it. He also took care of the trip insurance. We've been doing a lot of research on the CC sister site Trip Advisor and will write a report there. We will, I guess, become a source of info for CC members after having spent 5 days in Moscow and 6 in SP.

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Anybody considering a day trip to Moscow from St. Petersburg on the Sapsan may want to look at our travelogue filled with pictures.

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1927687

Very informative. Thanks dor sharing. Jeff

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